Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys (Post 29111)

Not almost; it is.

And you're talking about the SR-5 trimmed AE86's. In japan, and other countries, the "shitbox" non-performance AE's came in AE85 chassis', which were even less solid and sturdy chassis' (if thats even POSSIBLE, lol), as they came without certain reinforcements in key stress areas.

The reason the SR-5 trim is put on an AE86....twofold probably:
1) Save money by standardizing the chassis over here.
2) Safety, the AE86 chassis was more sturdy than the AE85.

You will not find many, very few, similarities between a real Corolla, say the AE82, and the Sprinter/Levin AE86's.

It should also be noted that in Japan its not "Toyota Corolla Sprinter Trueno", its just "Toyota Sprinter Trueno", only the Levin was branded underneath Corolla.

Originally Posted by 1GoZoom (Post 30100)

Hear me out on this. Toyota has built brand recognition around the FF Hybrid Synergy cars and the comfortably beige sedans it builds. They want to keep that, and I agree. Scion is a sport brand, much like Lexus (ick) is a semi-luxury brand. Bring it over to Scion to keep them alive. It will compliment the TC well. Name it the Celica or FT-86 or FR4 in the spirit of the MR2. But positioning it in the Scion category would work well for it. May kill resale value, but that's not the point of the car anyway.

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 29056)

You know what? This could be excellent... I've mentioned this before, but with the engine position where it is, they could put in an H6 without messing too much with the handling. (Hell, Subaru hung the entire EG33 in front of the front axle and the SVX's handling didn't suck.)

Now what car in Toyota's sterling past could this remind anybody of? This hypothetical Celica, which at a later point in time could could be turned into a 'super' Celica with the addition of a 6 cylinder powerplant. Hmmm... whatever could I be talking about? Maybe give it a new front-end to distinguish it from the non-'super' version. A lightish-weight RWD Toyota 6 cylinder sports car with no turbo.

Celica ST 145 hp 2.0L (current un-modified FB20?)
Inexpensive, economical, volume car. By inexpensive I mean 'Even less money than they were originally talking about'. $18k-$20k

Celica GT-S 200 hp 2.0L Harder edged. The car most of us want. At the target price. 2800bs MAX!

Then after a year or two introduce:

Celica-Supra 240 hp 3.0L H6 (I think that is the number from Subaru's current 3.0L) With a minor re-style this could appeal to older crowd, smoother, but don't turn it into a marshmallow. Maybe an optional twin-clutch? Base price +$3k-$5k? 3100 lbs MAX! Lexus version? How would this price and performance compare with the fabled Mustang?

On a single platform this gives 3 very different cars that hit a huge potential market range. Plus it gives a potential product 'Ladder' within Toyota. It fits in with the past, and by using the Celica-Supra name, it re-introduces the Supra nameplate but reminds us turbo Supra owners that there were two generations before it was the hardcore turbo beast most know, and can justify its non-GTR performance that way.

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous (Post 30308)

^ They have a new powerful supra. Its under the L badge though.

Originally Posted by Rickster (Post 30256)

Folks, before I start this thread, I just want to state I know there is a million and one threads on this already, so I created this just to share and express my personal opinion. Moderators, if you feel this thread is unnecessary, please feel free to delete.

So I read that so many members on this forum say, "If it's a Scion, I won't buy it", or something amongst those lines. MY personal opinion on this is - whether it's a Scion, or a Toyota, it doesn't matter to me. I personally am attracted to the vehicle, not necessarily the badge it carries. I'm attracted to the styling of the vehicle, the motor of the vehicle, the essence of the vehicle, this won't change if it's a Scion or Toyota. Now, if Scion changes the features of the car, that's a different story all together. Then I might not consider it as highly as I would if it was a Toyota. Let's say hypothetically, this was a Hyundai

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous (Post 30385)

ISF dude

Originally Posted by Archer256 (Post 30393)

slurp.

Lexus is semi-luxury? Wow Im going to guess you think German engineering is the best ever too? I wont get into that debate about Lexus being better than BMW and Mercedes, they are at some and some not so much, but dude Lexus is luxury lol.

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous (Post 30385)

ISF dude

Originally Posted by Midship Runabout (Post 30410)

I fail to see your point?

Originally Posted by 1GoZoom (Post 30100)

Hear me out on this. Toyota has built brand recognition around the FF Hybrid Synergy cars and the comfortably beige sedans it builds. They want to keep that, and I agree. Scion is a sport brand, much like Lexus (ick) is a semi-luxury brand. Bring it over to Scion to keep them alive. It will compliment the TC well. Name it the Celica or FT-86 or FR4 in the spirit of the MR2. But positioning it in the Scion category would work well for it. May kill resale value, but that's not the point of the car anyway.