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CSG Mike 06-14-2015 11:44 PM

Perfect example of a Z06 driver who's 100% dependent on traction/stability control
 
Watch how many times he just goes WOT in 2nd gear, during the corner...

Vette is on Hoosier A7. After the first lap or so, he can't overtake take a 475hp 991 GT3 in the straights because the Z06 overheats, and loses an insane amount of power

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9X2-sE4EcU"]Corvette Z06 Vs Porsche GT3 HEAD 2 HEAD f!@k MotorTrend - YouTube[/ame]

D_Thissen 06-15-2015 12:07 AM

I'm by no means an excellent driver but I thought for sure he was going into the tires/wall multiple times. Either that or cause a massive accident.

Porcupint 06-15-2015 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2286881)
Watch how many times he just goes WOT in 2nd gear, during the corner...

From what I've heard from a few C7 owners, thats what they were told to do at some driving event thing (may be bullshit, just what I heard). Something about "once you hit the apex, put your foot down and let the car sort it out."

Edit: @6:15 You mad bro?

strat61caster 06-15-2015 02:56 AM

Took me far too long to figure out that the car being driven is the Z06

No idea why he would publish this, 5:00-6:30 would embarrass the hell out of me.

Edit: If I was driving the Porsche I would have let him by in the first minute or two, it's an HPDE christ. This is how cars go home on trailers.

swarb 06-15-2015 07:05 AM

Magic at 14:45. Dude over revs and does not know how to shift up :bonk:
So many mis-shifts and there is no third pedal. :iono:
So much ego.
He early apexed more and more as time went on.
Didn't listen to his instructor a few times too.

Deep Six 06-15-2015 08:30 AM

Exactly why a pay full registration fees gladly. Have not and will not ever instruct anyone other than family and friends.

Not sure the point of the post? Directed at the cooling issues that the C7's are plauged with or the driver himself??

DarkSunrise 06-15-2015 08:34 AM

Initial impression - I'm surprised how good the Z06's PTM is. The driver just stands on the throttle mid-corner while holding steering input and PTM sorts it out like it's nothing. Not even a tail wag. Actually makes 650 hp look kind of boring? Personally I'd have more fun driving a car with 300 less hp with the nannies off and be able to rotate the car with the throttle/brakes.

Also surprised the student wasn't told to pit in after that sequence of corners at the 6:00 mark, ending with him screaming obscenities at the Porsche driver. Red mist moment for sure.

If that driver ever decides to turn PTM off, God help whichever instructor is coaching him.

Deep Six 06-15-2015 10:45 AM

That is full nanny mode BTW. The other settings will display on the PDR video when selected.

Porcupint 06-15-2015 11:03 AM

Video description is great

Quote:

The Corvette driver has two half days of experience of track time and the driver of the Porsche GT3 is a pro race car driver with a race team. You can see from the slipping that the Porsche GT3 is being taken to its limits. The Porsche GT3 driver ultimately waves us by after being repeatedly out handled and out horse powered by the 2015 Corvette Z06 Auto with the Z07 package.
No need to tell us the C7 driver has no track experience. It's quite obvious. GT3's friend commented on the vid saying he wasn't a pro driver. Either way the Porsche was obviously out driving him. GT3 waved you by because he didn't want to end up in a corvette-wall sandwich. You didn't out handle or out horsepower shit.

Idk about y'all, but if people drove that aggressively at the track days I work, they'd be black flagged immediately.

D_Thissen 06-15-2015 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2287069)
Magic at 14:45. Dude over revs and does not know how to shift up :bonk:
So many mis-shifts and there is no third pedal. :iono:
So much ego.
He early apexed more and more as time went on.
Didn't listen to his instructor a few times too.

That was his instructor?! He needs to open his mouth and say something. The Driver was not even paying attention to him, he was too busy dive bombing corners and cutting off other dirvers.

Fish Eagle 06-15-2015 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porcupint (Post 2287155)
Idk about y'all, but if people drove that aggressively at the track days I work, they'd be black flagged immediately.

Yup, same over here.
We only do that sh*t when we're drunk, but they don't allow us on track when we're drunk :)

tahdizzle 06-15-2015 12:05 PM

Tanner Foust had trouble driving faster with nannies off.

SeanRTR 06-15-2015 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 2287207)
Tanner Foust had trouble driving faster with nannies off.

Depressing.

mav1178 06-15-2015 12:43 PM

Oh hey look, I can bank faster than him on ACS Roval w/ my street tires :)

Pat 06-15-2015 12:49 PM

Wow. I watched a couple minutes of that and just felt so uncomfortable I shut it down. Yikes.

ybotspawn 06-15-2015 01:21 PM

O_o

philooo 06-15-2015 01:30 PM

I have no idea why the passenger has not asked to get out of the car before the driver stuck him into a wall... totally depressing to watch indeed.
I think God put a Z06 in the dudes' hand for a reason ... let's hope he doesn't hurt anybody in the process to meet his maker.

Rampage 06-15-2015 02:24 PM

The Vette was impressive: the driver was a f'in idiot.

ddeflyer 06-15-2015 02:26 PM

I didn't watch most of the video, but the corvette driver seems to have some obvious issues, Porsche driver doesn't seem much better (who in their right mind would drive anywhere near that idiot corvette driver AND he wags the tail of the porsche pretty roughly which means he is loosing time to recover traction).

What really scares me though is that there would be a group that would allow someone with two half days of experience into what appears to be an open passing group. Also, WTF, where are the black flags from that BS? Corner workers know when things are about to get bendy and the event organizers should have heard...

mav1178 06-15-2015 02:38 PM

Wonderful comments by video uploader:

Quote:

The Corvette driver has two half days of experience of track time and the driver of the Porsche GT3 is a pro race car driver with a race team. You can see from the slipping that the Porsche GT3 is being taken to its limits. The Porsche GT3 driver ultimately waves us by after being repeatedly out handled and out horse powered by the 2015 Corvette Z06 Auto with the Z07 package. At the Fontana Raceway track
Quote:

Plain and simple. Your friend got smoked, just like he got smoked today, I don't want hear it.Enough with all the excuses.

CSG Mike 06-15-2015 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddeflyer (Post 2287412)
I didn't watch most of the video, but the corvette driver seems to have some obvious issues, Porsche driver doesn't seem much better (who in their right mind would drive anywhere near that idiot corvette driver AND he wags the tail of the porsche pretty roughly which means he is loosing time to recover traction).

What really scares me though is that there would be a group that would allow someone with two half days of experience into what appears to be an open passing group. Also, WTF, where are the black flags from that BS? Corner workers know when things are about to get bendy and the event organizers should have heard...

It's not an open passing group... the vette is just passing anyways.

ddeflyer 06-15-2015 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2287431)
It's not an open passing group... the vette is just passing anyways.

So who was the organizer for that? I want to make sure I never go to one of their events. Seeing that stuff is scary and not seeing black flags is worse! This was like lemons drivers with way nicer cars!

rlpaul 06-15-2015 03:31 PM

I couldn't watch it all, I kept cringing every other corner. And that 'pass' at around the 11:30 mark, dubya tee eff. I was half expecting Robert Duvall to start talking about love taps.

TylerLieberman 06-15-2015 03:41 PM

"Eat a d!ck you f*ckin little b!tch". LMAO!!!!! I lost it when I saw that.

Never mind the dude cut the fuckin track like 3 times. Dude drives like he's racing on Suzuka circuit in Gran Turismo. #imakemyownshortcuts

cjd 06-15-2015 05:03 PM

Self driving cars can't come fast enough when I see this. Of course, it's obvious the car IS the one doing the hard part here...

I couldn't watch the whole thing either. Yikes.

MTeator 06-15-2015 05:06 PM

He sure had a death grip on that steering wheel ...

ybotspawn 06-15-2015 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTeator (Post 2287698)
He sure had a death grip on that steering wheel ...

Exactly like what you're NOT supposed to do.:bonk:

chas3wba0 06-15-2015 05:20 PM

So it "Philip Hwang" the guy in the passenger seat? Or the driver? I'm confused

murdoc 06-15-2015 05:22 PM

This is a pretty good advertisement for Chevy's vehicle control systems.

"Watch what happens when we put a complete idiot behind the wheel of our 650hp monster"

The guy could be played by Karl pilkington.

Apex_BRZ 06-15-2015 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2286881)
Watch how many times he just goes WOT in 2nd gear, during the corner...

Vette is on Hoosier A7. After the first lap or so, he can't overtake take a 475hp 991 GT3 in the straights because the Z06 overheats, and loses an insane amount of power

Shame that the C7's are having lots of problems with overheating. A lot of them are blowing a fuse when the car goes into limp mode as well, strangely.

This driver seems extra aggressive and forceful, instead of smooth. He loves to throttle it out of those turns. You can even hear the computer clamping down and backing it off. Porsche driver is awful trusting. I probably would have went into the pits to get away from the guy.

rx3 06-15-2015 05:47 PM

What's with all the swearing at 6:15?

Is this in Boston?

strat61caster 06-15-2015 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murdoc (Post 2287738)
"Watch what happens when we put a complete idiot behind the wheel of our 650hp monster"

The guy could be played by Karl pilkington.

Comparing this guy to Karl is an insult.

An insult to Karl if that wasn't clear.

FRSfan111 06-15-2015 09:19 PM

Those lines...Use the track, there's so much room to apex and he used none of it but dips off track several times... Porsche could have held him longer if he wanted too but I wouldn't have trusted it nearly that long lol. It's not an actual race.

juliog 06-15-2015 09:36 PM

Modern car computers are too good... Darwin has got to be turning in his grave -_- .

Semprini 06-15-2015 10:02 PM

Did he seriously adjust the stereo on the track?

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drewbot 06-15-2015 10:33 PM

He should have started to yell, "NEMESIS"

Vracer111 06-16-2015 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2287069)
Magic at 14:45. Dude over revs and does not know how to shift up :bonk:
So many mis-shifts and there is no third pedal. :iono:
So much ego.
He early apexed more and more as time went on.
Didn't listen to his instructor a few times too.

The only miss-shift was when he bumped the stick into manual mode...he was driving in D the whole time otherwise... Merica! Throttle is either 100% on or off and coasting into the corners... not to mention the erratic steering inputs :eyebulge: No wonder his driving is horrible and in addition he has no understanding whatsoever of the basics of proper cornering sequence and where he needs to be on track.

What a really scary video....the first lap or two would have had me smack him upside the head and park it. And I would NEVER run with this group!

The Corvette has amazing electronics though to counterbalance this guys driving!

zdr93523 06-16-2015 03:10 AM

I couldn't even watch the whole video. This guy sucks. What organization is this so I make sure to not attend one of their events?

MightyMeeple 06-16-2015 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chas3wba0 (Post 2287734)
So it "Philip Hwang" the guy in the passenger seat? Or the driver? I'm confused

Me as well....when I pulled up the youtube page it shows it was uploaded by Philip Hwang...so I'm wondering if that was the instructor? And if so, why the frak would he have put it up?

It is unbelievably uncomfortable to watch that whole video...both the driver and the instructor should not be allowed back out. Period.

BRZZZZZZZZZZ 06-16-2015 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewbot (Post 2288146)
He should have started to yell, "NEMESIS"

:bellyroll:


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