Originally Posted by why? (Post 2413336)

I couldn't imagine having to go to Detroit frequently. I hate travel, my idea of a travelling job is me getting up and walking 5 minutes and being at work. Any more travel than that and I am not happy.

Agree with the rest. Still waiting on the rumored lower powered version of the 86 that unfortunately never came. Not sure even if they did choose to add a turbo it would be "high hp" by anyone's definition, I almost would love to see them introduce a new turbo 86 with 220 hp and 220 lb/ft of torque just to laugh at all the people who freak about how that still isn't enough power. And then they'd freak about the $30-$35k price tag attached to it. And they still wouldn't buy a new 86. Damn I just wish they'd stop ruining our currency.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2412739)

There are exceptions. Even with the cars you mentioned though after the initial run on the first release the majority will go to Joe/Jill Average not the enthusiast.

Originally Posted by totopo (Post 2412667)

4) I think a big difference is that, before, the baseline v-6 mustang and camaro were complete POS's. like the 4th gen mustangs with their 145-190hp/215-225 ft.lb of torque. or the 4th gen camaros with 160hp/200 ftlb. Where punk azn's in their parents' i-4 camry's and accords could beat them in a drag race, and where the econo "sporty" cars could slaughter them at the track. The early 5th gen mustang wasn't much better at 210hp/240. The new v-6 and turbo i-4 mustangs and camaros though, are some of the fastest cars you can get for your money on the drag strip and on road tracks. I do think it is eating away at the market share of all the other sports cars.

This forum is biased towards those that did end up with the twins. The strong point of the twins is in driving feel. So if that is your most important priority, of course you wouldn't really cross shop the mustang and camaro. it would be more the miata, used s2k, etc.

If, however, you go to the mustang and camaro forums, you will see there are tons of people that cross-shoped them and the twins, where driving feel wasn't the highest priority. Maybe the engine was a bigger priority. Where they ended up buying a mustang/camaro instead.

Originally Posted by GT86_PRAGUE (Post 2413544)

Please add Europe to the exceptions.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2413606)

Most of the world as far as the manual goes. My auto statement refers to North America only since they seem to think that the manual is some weird exotic device that only true car guys like here. They don't get that the MT is more common everyplace else. Didn't always be that way but the mind set changed sometime back in the 80s.

Originally Posted by GT86_PRAGUE (Post 2413620)

Did you ever told them they use wrong units too?

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2413353)

I have commuted anywhere from one to two hours each way to work for so long I forget what it is like not too.
Ironic part is that we bought our house because it was 2 minutes away from the Siemans plant I worked in back in 93. It closed 6 months later and I have mega drives ever since.
I have 4 plants that I work in now and 2 are almost an hour way and the other ones are 2 hours away. I spend a lot of time on the highway in my car.

Originally Posted by chaoskaze (Post 2455250)

lol Tcoat hahahahhaha :bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll: Story of your life. Poor you.:lol:

Man I can't imaging all that commute for 20+ years........

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2455255)

You get used to it. The good part is they are all fast moving commutes. Zip onto the highway, drive non stop for an hour or two and zip back off. I have pity for those that do the city commute where it takes an hour to drive 5 miles through heavy stop and go crap.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2455308)

I miss long highway trips now, great fuel economy and something good on the stereo for some quiet me time. But a 15 minute commute is hard to complain about.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2413606)

Most of the world as far as the manual goes. My auto statement refers to North America only since they seem to think that the manual is some weird exotic device that only true car guys like here. They don't get that the MT is more common everyplace else. Didn't always be that way but the mind set changed sometime back in the 80s.