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Grip Ronin 05-23-2015 11:21 PM

brake bleeding, air in abs?
 
So i have just changed my pads and while i was at it i vacuum bled my brakes, I did my best to keep the res full but it seems something has gone wrong. My pedal goes to the floor but applies a slight pressure to the pads. There are no leaky bleeders so im thinking some air got into the abs block in which there is no bleeder equipped. how do i fix this?

D_Thissen 05-23-2015 11:36 PM

Bring it to the dealership might be the easiest thing to do.

Grip Ronin 05-23-2015 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by D_Thissen (Post 2260281)
Bring it to the dealership might be the easiest thing to do.

i work right next to a subaru dealer thats part of my chain lol but i have the toyota program at home so i dont see something that they can do that i cant, except pressure bleed i dont have the adapter for this car

N1rve 05-24-2015 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Grip Ronin (Post 2260275)
So i have just changed my pads and while i was at it i vacuum bled my brakes, I did my best to keep the res full but it seems something has gone wrong. My pedal goes to the floor but applies a slight pressure to the pads. There are no leaky bleeders so im thinking some air got into the abs block in which there is no bleeder equipped. how do i fix this?

Re-bleed the system. That's what they would do anyways.

wparsons 05-24-2015 12:20 AM

You probably need to bench bleed the master cylinder, sounds like you sucked in air into the master cylinder.

Grip Ronin 05-24-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 2260322)
You probably need to bench bleed the master cylinder, sounds like you sucked in air into the master cylinder.

ya im seeing in the service manual it says to pull the two main lines and bleed it by pumping and blocking the holes with your fingers, you think a master cyl would let the air rise up and out from pumping it

ZionsWrath 05-24-2015 10:49 AM

Try to bleed old fashion way first. Or buy a motiv bleeder, its only $50.

I'd rather do that first than bleed the master.

I haven't heard many good things about vacuum bleeding. I have used a tube from the bleeder into a container when the end is submerged in brake fluid and pumped the pedal. This worked fine as well.

I use a motiv bleeder on my BRZ and have a firm pedal every time.

Grip Ronin 05-24-2015 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2260537)
Try to bleed old fashion way first. Or buy a motiv bleeder, its only $50.

I'd rather do that first than bleed the master.

I haven't heard many good things about vacuum bleeding. I have used a tube from the bleeder into a container when the end is submerged in brake fluid and pumped the pedal. This worked fine as well.

I use a motiv bleeder on my BRZ and have a firm pedal every time.

i think i used the old pump and hold style when i did steel lines and the 4 pot calipers. Had no issue the first time. im going to go try it now

kosoku 05-25-2015 11:50 AM

Gravity bleed it. Time consuming but very effective.

cjd 05-25-2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kosoku (Post 2261450)
Gravity bleed it. Time consuming but very effective.

Pressure bleeding is this, but faster (or so) - wasn't sure about the Motiv but glad I got it.

That said, I was surprised how long the train of almost invisible bubbles took to clear out. I think I still have a little air in the system, but no issues getting lots of brake when I need it.

Grip Ronin 05-25-2015 09:47 PM

managed to get the air out but cycling the abs motor and solenoids and pump bleeding, it was trapped in the rears. Still feels like im hitting abs early but i have good pressure. ill have to figure that out. It might be the new pads

kosoku 05-26-2015 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cjd (Post 2261537)
Pressure bleeding is this, but faster (or so) - wasn't sure about the Motiv but glad I got it.

That said, I was surprised how long the train of almost invisible bubbles took to clear out. I think I still have a little air in the system, but no issues getting lots of brake when I need it.

i'm aware its the same. in my experience slower is better when it comes to bleeding.
Not to say pressure bleeding doesn't work!

Kev951 11-21-2018 06:02 PM

@Grip Ronin, what scan tool did you use to cyle the abs motor / solonoids?

Irace86.2.0 11-22-2018 08:34 PM

I have this power bleeder.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/m...yABEgLS-PD_BwE

And I have speed bleeders too.

http://www.russellperformance.com/mc/speed-bleeders/

If you put the car on a lift then you can activate the ABS to try to purge the system by running the car in gear. Just don't fall off if you use jack stands.


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