The twins could be the next Nissan 240SX. Not as coveted as a 90's Supra or NSX but something that there'd be a market for.

i think there are just too many of these made. since 2012 Toyota has sold 75,279 FRS/86s in the US, not inculding BRZs.

The number made has very little to do with the collectability of a car. All that is needed is the right number of people with the right amount of nostalgia for the right car at the right time.

A lot of the "collectible cars" sold at auction originally sold more units in a year than these have sold over their 7 years of sale.

is that why people are paying top dollars for NSX (8,997), FD RX7s (13,879), A80 Supra (11,239), but no one gives a crap about the 300ZX (89,156) and 3000GT (86,151). :p

https://www.nsxprime.com/wiki/Production_Numbers
http://www.rotarywiki.com/index.php?...uction_Numbers
http://mkiv.com/specifications/sales...ail_sales.html

http://zbum.suomiz.net/information.production.shtml
https://www.stealth316.com/2-production.htm

Someone needs to make a racing movie starring the 86 and we'll all be rich! :thumbsup:
(Fast and Furious doesn't count)

We have the T86RS.

https://www.toyota.com.au/86/racing-series/about

The general population doesn't really care though.

To the genpop the T86RS is just a novelty race you watch whilst you are waiting for the real racecars to hit the track.

Yes, it is, at least in part. On the other side are cars like 1965 Mustangs, 1969 Camaros, and even the Ford Model T, all considered collectible in the right configuration and circumstances, and all that were built in huge numbers.

Numbers built plays into it only if that means there are less of them than people interested in them. Extreme example, if only one person wanted a A80 Supra, then they wouldn't be "rare" because there would be plenty to go around.

There are examples of low volume cars no one wants, and high volume cars that are impossible to find.

You're sort of proving his point. Those models were built in large numbers. The ones that bring big money are the special editions that added power, which were not built in large numbers. In the context of car value, a six cylinder Mustang built as a sporty commuter for secretaries (which is the way Lee Iacocca envisioned it) hasn't been a winner as an investment vehicle, whereas a Shelby GT500 will command an insane price. In a less extreme example, a base model '60s Camaro isn't exactly a retirement fund, whereas a real SS can bring big money.

Well, OK. My real point is someone has to want them for some reason, but volume is not always the determining factor, and actually only rarely is. If it was only "rare" cars that were worth collecting the auction houses would barely survive. It isn't so much any more but probably any high volume car before the 1970's you could find a "one of a kind" because you could buy specific options without getting "packages". I remember an episode of a car show where the seller had a build sheet report for his "secretary" version of his '64 Mustang where he was trying to claim it was rare because his was the only one in that color that had a specific clock in it. In the end it added about $20 to the value of the car.

I'll admit though collectible (if you mean investment worthy) cars have less than zero interest to me. I don't want to own anything I can't use for its intended purpose.

And this ^ is the whole pivot point of this conversation.
There are many layers and levels of what a "collectable" car is.


If we are talking about investment or display only collectables then yes in deed rarity has a bigger impact on price. These cars are also always going to be high ticket.


If we are talking having a couple of cars around that you take out on Sunday then the need to be the rare version goes down a bit. Gonna' be mid range in value.


When we talk a "collectable" car that is also a daily driver (for at least part of the year) the rarity is almost meaningless and even that secretary spec Mustang is appropriate. These cars will only go down in value since they are racking up miles and wear.


You would have to be as much a moron to daily drive something like a 64 Mustang Shelby in the winter as you would be to put a 6 cylinder base in your museum and expect it to become valuable.

As usual right on target. Thanks for completing my thought.