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xcelir8brz 06-15-2012 09:33 AM

K&N Drop-In Filter (Quick Impressions)
 
Good morning.

Last night I received the K&N Drop-In Filter via UPS for my BRZ right from K&N’s web site for about $50 shipped and installed it without issue.

In this quick post, I am not going to get into the benefits of an aftermarket filter, but rather provide some quick initial impressions.

Pros

• RPM’s Rev more freely
• Power band ‘feels’ smoothed out
• Acceleration is achieved quicker
• A ‘slight’ increase in suction sound
• Quality Product
• Retains the BRZ Excitement and Giggle Factor
• Worth the $50 Spent

Cons

• None

niceassfd 06-15-2012 01:03 PM

nice! I will look into one too.

MTeator 06-15-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcelir8brz (Post 259571)
• RPM’s Rev more freely
• Power band ‘feels’ smoothed out
• Acceleration is achieved quicker
• A ‘slight’ increase in suction sound

Mine didn't do any of these things.

wu_dot_com 06-15-2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcelir8brz (Post 259571)
Good morning.

Last night I received the K&N Drop-In Filter via UPS for my BRZ right from K&N’s web site for about $50 shipped and installed it without issue.

In this quick post, I am not going to get into the benefits of an aftermarket filter, but rather provide some quick initial impressions.

Pros

• RPM’s Rev more freely
• Power band ‘feels’ smoothed out
• Acceleration is achieved quicker
• A ‘slight’ increase in suction sound
• Quality Product
• Retains the BRZ Excitement and Giggle Factor
• Worth the $50 Spent

Cons

• None

you sure this is not placebo effect?

pyro530 06-15-2012 03:42 PM

Mine came in on Monday, I just need to go down to the store and pick it up. Although, I may wait until the engine is 100% broken in so I can drive the car hard back to back with the stock vs. K&N

Liquidsnake 06-15-2012 04:06 PM

Interesting.

Jayp 06-15-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcelir8brz (Post 259571)
Good morning.
Pros

• RPM’s Rev more freely
• Power band ‘feels’ smoothed out
• Acceleration is achieved quicker
• A ‘slight’ increase in suction sound
• Quality Product
• Retains the BRZ Excitement and Giggle Factor
• Worth the $50 Spent

Cons

• None

All we need now is some scientific evidence to prove these claims! To the lab!

mark7s4 06-15-2012 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcelir8brz (Post 259571)
Good morning.

Last night I received the K&N Drop-In Filter via UPS for my BRZ right from K&N’s web site for about $50 shipped and installed it without issue.

In this quick post, I am not going to get into the benefits of an aftermarket filter, but rather provide some quick initial impressions.

Pros

• RPM’s Rev more freely
• Power band ‘feels’ smoothed out
• Acceleration is achieved quicker
• A ‘slight’ increase in suction sound
• Quality Product
• Retains the BRZ Excitement and Giggle Factor
• Worth the $50 Spent

Cons

• None

Magic filter indeed! Didn't Perrin dyno the car with and without a filter and there was no difference? lol

xcelir8brz 06-15-2012 11:59 PM

I've owned enough cars to advise that what I posted is accurate. Nowhere did I mention any HP increase. I doubt there was any.

Next week I'll be installing and reviewing Accelerate Performance's Intake and Exhaust Systems. Therefore the stock system + K&N will be removed in less than a week's time.

Stay tuned.

Razz 06-17-2012 12:18 AM

Sounds like a sugar effect to me except the sound.

Liquidsnake 06-17-2012 12:35 AM

If it truly does sound better, I'll bite. Waiting for more impressions. If you could expand upon that I'd like to know.

Thx.

Sportsguy83 06-17-2012 05:25 AM

I got it, for $37 why not? I will not get a CAI so... this at about the same price as the stock filter, no brainier.

spiller 06-17-2012 05:31 AM

in most cases the stock air box with a good filter and some cold air feed is the best solution as opposed to an open pod type filter that a lot of tuners opt for.

AshWilliams 06-17-2012 08:11 AM

The only think you will "feel" after installing a cotton gauze/oil filter like the K&N or TuRD is a lighter wallet.

If you want a giant metallic dildo under your hood, go the extra step and install a cold air intake.

iggy 06-17-2012 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcelir8brz (Post 259571)
Pros

• RPM’s Rev more freely
• Power band ‘feels’ smoothed out
Acceleration is achieved quicker
• A ‘slight’ increase in suction sound
• Quality Product
• Retains the BRZ Excitement and Giggle Factor
• Worth the $50 Spent

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcelir8brz (Post 260858)
I've owned enough cars to advise that what I posted is accurate. Nowhere did I mention any HP increase. I doubt there was any.

Can you explain how you think the car accelerates quicker if there wasn't a power increase?

Do Boy 06-17-2012 11:40 AM

What's the K&N part# ? I was thinking about picking one up.

AshWilliams 06-17-2012 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iggy (Post 262643)
Can you explain how you think the car accelerates quicker if there wasn't a power increase?

Back to back 1/4 mile times in similar conditions with and without the filter, duh.

Gardus@Supersprint 06-17-2012 11:48 AM

Just placebo effect. I usually replace the filter with a ITG foam one at the first service interval just so I don't need to change it again at the next ones.

Turbowned 06-17-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshWilliams (Post 262527)
The only think you will "feel" after installing a cotton gauze/oil filter like the K&N or TuRD is a lighter wallet.

If you want a giant metallic dildo under your hood, go the extra step and install a cold air intake.


It could be a heavier wallet when you don't have to replace your paper filter every 15k miles. I would've waited 'til 15k and replaced it with the K&N, then keep it for the life of the car. It should pay for itself after 45k. Power gains, though? Doubtful.

Sportsguy83 06-17-2012 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Do Boy (Post 262657)
What's the K&N part# ? I was thinking about picking one up.

Here's the page,

http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?Prod=33-2300

Part # 33-2300

EZWood 06-17-2012 08:35 PM

Hope you guys buying this filter like dust going into your engine, and reduced filtering capacity. Have a nice day.

empower-auto 06-17-2012 10:27 PM

Do yourselves a favor and use the Apexi filter over this because it's a dry element and costs the same or less.

Laika 06-17-2012 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by empower-auto (Post 263268)
Do yourselves a favor and use the Apexi filter over this because it's a dry element and costs the same or less.

I looked this up because I've been trying to find a reputable source of a dry filter...Somehow apex-i totally skipped my mind. I guess with even the best dry filters you have to deal with swapping it out every 15k miles?

http://apexi-usa.com/shop/index.php/...ake-panel.html

rikdrt1 06-17-2012 11:06 PM

i probably believe it sounds better - like the big assstruks with their big aftermarket filters... or the small motorcycles with the big K&N filters - each of those add some sound during acceleration - so i guess just for that effect .. is it worth 50 ? maybe. i wonder how the MPG is affected.
In a way, i think i have enough loud engine noise coming out of the bay.. id like to add some coming out of the exhaust instead !

nix 06-18-2012 12:42 AM

Not a fan of the k&n sound, decent quality filter though.

NYC BRZ 06-18-2012 01:29 AM

Installed it before an autox it breaths better at higher RPMs but probably added 0 power.

AshWilliams 06-18-2012 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 262908)
It could be a heavier wallet when you don't have to replace your paper filter every 15k miles. I would've waited 'til 15k and replaced it with the K&N, then keep it for the life of the car. It should pay for itself after 45k. Power gains, though? Doubtful.

At one point I also drank the Kool-Aid and had filters in every car and truck I owned.

I can attest that if you have a poorly designed air box on an agricultural vehicle (like an HD truck) a better flowing filter may add a bit of power. 0.5% of 400 HP is still a number, albeit infinitely small.

But my experience is with the filters is that they get clogged with dust. On a paper filter the loose particulate crap falls off the filter surface and into the air box, but the oil filters just mop it all up. While no one in their right mind would off-road an FR-S, dusty roads, wildfires, and gravel/salt spray clogged my K&N's a lot faster.

And even if I was super careful cleaning them, I always found a bit of oil downstream from the filter in the intake.

empower-auto 06-18-2012 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laika (Post 263310)
I looked this up because I've been trying to find a reputable source of a dry filter...Somehow apex-i totally skipped my mind. I guess with even the best dry filters you have to deal with swapping it out every 15k miles?

http://apexi-usa.com/shop/index.php/...ake-panel.html

$50 annually .. not bad

Gardus@Supersprint 06-18-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshWilliams (Post 264045)
At one point I also drank the Kool-Aid and had filters in every car and truck I owned.

I can attest that if you have a poorly designed air box on an agricultural vehicle (like an HD truck) a better flowing filter may add a bit of power. 0.5% of 400 HP is still a number, albeit infinitely small.

But my experience is with the filters is that they get clogged with dust. On a paper filter the loose particulate crap falls off the filter surface and into the air box, but the oil filters just mop it all up. While no one in their right mind would off-road an FR-S, dusty roads, wildfires, and gravel/salt spray clogged my K&N's a lot faster.

And even if I was super careful cleaning them, I always found a bit of oil downstream from the filter in the intake.

Same reasons I won't fit a oiled filter again.

7thgear 06-18-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcelir8brz (Post 260858)
I've owned enough cars to advise that what I posted is accurate. Nowhere did I mention any HP increase. I doubt there was any.

are you a dumbass or just pretending to be?

if there is no increase in power, that means there is no increase in air intake, which means none of your claims are accurate, which means you just wasted 50 dollars.

what's more, you feel it necessary to coverup your useless splurge by posting the same K&N rhetoric that they have on the back of their products hoping that if more people make the same mistake then somehow it would all end up being a positive thing.

:bonk:

K&N Oil filters are hype, i used to have one, after 1 hour of driving i forgot i even put it there, never again.

You're better off taking a 50 dollar bill and just taping it to your air box, it will have the same effect.

zoomzoomers 06-18-2012 02:12 PM

:popcorn:

Boosted2.0 06-18-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark7s4 (Post 260169)
Magic filter indeed! Didn't Perrin dyno the car with and without a filter and there was no difference? lol

We did - it picked up 1 1/2 HP when we removed the filter entirely.

7thgear 06-18-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0 (Post 264450)
We did - it picked up 1 1/2 HP when we removed the filter entirely.

i wonder how much more power could be made if you took the entire airbox off ;)

my first mod will be to remove the throttle body, WOT ALL THE TIME:burnrubber:

Liquidsnake 06-18-2012 03:17 PM

[QUOTE=7thgear;264372]are you a dumbass or just pretending to be?

if there is no increase in power, that means there is no increase in air intake, which means none of your claims are accurate, which means you just wasted 50 dollars.

what's more, you feel it necessary to coverup your useless splurge by posting the same K&N rhetoric that they have on the back of their products hoping that if more people make the same mistake then somehow it would all end up being a positive thing.

:bonk:

K&N Oil filters are hype, i used to have one, after 1 hour of driving i forgot i even put it there, never again.

You're better off taking a 50 dollar bill and just taping it to your air box, it will have the same effect.[/QUOTE]

This is a good line. I laughed out loud at work. :)

Hanzo 06-18-2012 09:35 PM

I just ordered one, $41 shipped. I had one in my NC2 miata and it did sound better.

Gardus@Supersprint 06-19-2012 03:36 AM

How much is the OEM paper filter?

maxx 06-19-2012 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiller (Post 262480)
in most cases the stock air box with a good filter and some cold air feed is the best solution as opposed to an open pod type filter that a lot of tuners opt for.

^^^This, I think keeping it buttoned up will help with heat soak.

xcelir8brz 06-19-2012 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 264372)
are you a dumbass or just pretending to be?

if there is no increase in power, that means there is no increase in air intake, which means none of your claims are accurate, which means you just wasted 50 dollars.

what's more, you feel it necessary to coverup your useless splurge by posting the same K&N rhetoric that they have on the back of their products hoping that if more people make the same mistake then somehow it would all end up being a positive thing.

:bonk:

K&N Oil filters are hype, i used to have one, after 1 hour of driving i forgot i even put it there, never again.

You're better off taking a 50 dollar bill and just taping it to your air box, it will have the same effect.


Wow. Brutal. :iono:

xcelir8brz 06-19-2012 09:34 PM

This weekend I'll be installing Accelerate Performances's Short Ram-To-Cold-Air-Intake.

Expect a full review with pictures accordingly.

Any questions about it right now, ask Don@Accelerated.

Sportsguy83 07-16-2012 10:03 PM

A little update: I removed the K&N drop in put back the OEM filter. There is definitely a difference. Nothing to be amazed about, but there is definitely a difference in response, sound and acceleration in the higher RPM's.

I will be installing an intake system, that's why I removed the drop in, to return it and put that money towards the system.


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