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The Sentinel 05-06-2015 04:17 AM

Guide - Choosing the right supercharger/turbo kit
 
Hi all,

This week I put together a bit of a guide based on the research and learning I did before adding the Kraftwerks Supercharger kit to my car.

In the guide I attempt to answer the most common questions and areas that require consideration. I also address the age old Turbo vs. supercharger argument, and address different types of supercharger and their pros and cons.

GUIDE HERE

Have I missed something? Please let me know. Keen for your feedback as always as I continue to discover more about these excellent cars :)

kbogarto 05-06-2015 07:14 AM

That's a ton of good info in one spot. I'm sure this will be very helpful for people who are just starting to look into FI. Only comment I have is about supercharger making more low
Down torque than turbos. Especially with the 86 platform and the rotrex kits being so popular that make very little torque low down in the rev range. A correctly sized turbo can yield huge torque at low RPMs. Well done though looks like a lot of work.

The Sentinel 05-06-2015 07:54 AM

Thanks for the feedback. With regards to the low down torque, I'm talking about below the point where a turbo is generating useful boost :)

tahdizzle 05-06-2015 12:04 PM

a link that takes you to a link....

Its like inception for the interwebs!

King Tut 05-06-2015 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sentinel (Post 2238892)
Thanks for the feedback. With regards to the low down torque, I'm talking about below the point where a turbo is generating useful boost :)

What is useful boost? I would argue that even at 2000 RPM a properly sized turbo can generate just as much boost as a centrifugal supercharger, but for that 500RPM or less, you are free.

AVOturboworld 05-06-2015 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 2239124)
What is useful boost? I would argue that even at 2000 RPM a properly sized turbo can generate just as much boost as a centrifugal supercharger, but for that 500RPM or less, you are free.

That seems to be the question. Most comparisons between a supercharger and a turbocharger tend to use data from a large turbo build. A properly sized turbo setup will be building boost from 2000rpm or earlier. And due to the nature of superchargers, having boost "from idle" doesn't necessarily mean they've overcome the parasitic drag of the supercharger from idle.

As an example:

http://www.avoturboworld.com/media/avo_vs_vortech.jpg

DFWFRS 05-06-2015 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld (Post 2239243)
That seems to be the question. Most comparisons between a supercharger and a turbocharger tend to use data from a large turbo build. A properly sized turbo setup will be building boost from 2000rpm or earlier. And due to the nature of superchargers, having boost "from idle" doesn't necessarily mean they've overcome the parasitic drag of the supercharger from idle.

As an example:

http://www.avoturboworld.com/media/avo_vs_vortech.jpg



This doesn't look biased or anything.
:bellyroll:

AVOturboworld 05-06-2015 03:22 PM

Unlike the charts from that article, this one is at least on a BRZ/FR-S, on the same pump gas, at the same dyno.

Indeed, there is a bit of bias, I happen to think that turbocharging a small motor is going to be more efficient than supercharging.

The Sentinel 05-06-2015 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 2239124)
What is useful boost? I would argue that even at 2000 RPM a properly sized turbo can generate just as much boost as a centrifugal supercharger, but for that 500RPM or less, you are free.

And you'd be spot on. However a twin screw will still generate more torque from idle.

It's not an argument of what's "better", it's about what's most suitable for the desired outcome.

The Sentinel 05-06-2015 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld (Post 2239243)
That seems to be the question. Most comparisons between a supercharger and a turbocharger tend to use data from a large turbo build. A properly sized turbo setup will be building boost from 2000rpm or earlier. And due to the nature of superchargers, having boost "from idle" doesn't necessarily mean they've overcome the parasitic drag of the supercharger from idle.

As an example:

http://www.avoturboworld.com/media/avo_vs_vortech.jpg


Very true of some setups. Good graph for comparison too!

For my particular application, I chose a centrifugal supercharger due to the low parasitic drag, linear power delivery and simplicity. :)

I've driven AVO turbo kitted brz/86 before and they do feel more powerful than my car at low RPM, even with significantly lower boost. However over 6000RPM there's no comparison.

It all comes down to what the owner is looking for out of the car, and that's the point of the article.

The Sentinel 05-07-2015 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 2239061)
a link that takes you to a link....

Its like inception for the interwebs!

LOL. That was my bad. Accidentally included the wrong link. Fixed now :)

Sportsguy83 05-07-2015 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFWFRS (Post 2239313)
This doesn't look biased or anything.
:bellyroll:

Might be biased, but it's 1000% true.

King Tut 05-07-2015 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sentinel (Post 2239783)
For my particular application, I chose a centrifugal supercharger due to the low parasitic drag, linear power delivery and simplicity. :)

He said my magic words "centrifugal supercharger" and "linear power". I don't want to waste my time explaining what linear power is again, but I will state that it is not what you get from a centrifugal supercharger.

CSG Mike 05-07-2015 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld (Post 2239316)
Unlike the charts from that article, this one is at least on a BRZ/FR-S, on the same pump gas, at the same dyno.

Indeed, there is a bit of bias, I happen to think that turbocharging a small motor is going to be more efficient than supercharging.

Efficiency =/= throttle/transient response :thumbsup:


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