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@Art_Mighty 04-30-2015 04:08 PM

Threads for Stock oil Pressure and Temp Senders
 
Hello!

Does anybody know what metric threads the oil pressure switch and temp sensor uses? I'm trying to buy the right T-fitting to install an oil temp guage

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...h%20Thread.jpg

Thanks!

@Art_Mighty 05-01-2015 09:47 AM

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Jeff@Racer X Fab 05-01-2015 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty (Post 2232914)
Hello!

Does anybody know what metric threads the oil pressure switch and temp sensor uses? I'm trying to buy the right T-fitting to install an oil temp guage

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...h%20Thread.jpg

Thanks!

The oil pressure switch looks to be 1/8" BSPT, not sure on the water temp sensor.

@Art_Mighty 05-01-2015 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by racerx1715 (Post 2234300)
The oil pressure switch looks to be 1/8" BSPT, not sure on the water temp sensor.

The other one is a *WATER* temp sensor?

steve99 05-01-2015 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty (Post 2234391)
The other one is a *WATER* temp sensor?

You can read oil temp and water temp from stock sensors with torque or other logging devices

for oil pressure yes you will need to install oil pressure sender as stock its only a switch.

see here for install about 7min30 sec mark

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cDfFJ5s6IDg"]FRS - BRZ Oil Pressure and Temperature Tech FA20 - YouTube[/ame]

@Art_Mighty 05-01-2015 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2234456)
You can read oil temp and water temp from stock sensors with torque or other logging devices

Yes...

I know about the oil galley plug, it's going to be used for an oil pressure sender. I have a temperature gauge I wish to install for oil and won't be using any OBDII based displays or logging devices

...so I'm still hoping someone knows the answer to my question

Kiske 05-01-2015 08:13 PM

There are 2 galley plugs. Top of the motor by the intake and another one on the passenger side under the ecm... IIRC Avo Turbo kits use this as oil feed source.

@Art_Mighty 05-01-2015 08:22 PM

Let's keep this simple guys. I want to buy one of these

http://www.mscn.com.au/speedflow-pro...-pressure-tees

...and put it here...

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...h%20Thread.jpg

...to install this (which I already own)...

http://www.aemelectronics.com/sites/...ure_gauges.jpg

...so, does anyone here know which metric thread sizes the original senders use:

M8x1.5, M10x1.0, M12x1.5, other?

It's a Japanese car so it's *NOT* going to use 1/8th anything:

NPT or [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Pipe"]British Standard Pipe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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@Art_Mighty 05-01-2015 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiske (Post 2234514)
There are 2 galley plugs. Top of the motor by the intake and another one on the passenger side under the ecm... IIRC Avo Turbo kits use this as oil feed source.

The galley plug on right side is already being used to feed oil to the turbo so I can't use that one (I have the AVO kit installed)

xwd 05-02-2015 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty (Post 2234530)
Let's keep this simple guys. I want to buy one of these

...so, does anyone here know which metric thread sizes the original senders use:

M8x1.5, M10x1.0, M12x1.5, other?

It's a Japanese car so it's *NOT* going to use 1/8th anything:

None of those.

It's really 1/8" PT since that's what Japan uses, but for most of the world it's 1/8" BSPT. It's a tapered thread (pipe fitting) and for whatever reason the world doesn't use metric for that. I'm sure both the switch and temp sensor are the same.

The US mostly uses NPT and while you can thread an NPT fitting into a BSPT hole, it's not recommended at all.

So you would need the "RGA-36" fitting on the page you listed. I would caution using those copper tees though, they have been known to break over time. Usually when they stick straight out of the engine and you have like 2-3 things attached to them they break where they attach to the block. One option is to use one of these:

http://www.iagperformance.com/Prospo...p/psropkit.htm

And then put the tee on it and just ziptie/mount it someplace that way you don't have all the weight hanging off the block directly.

@Art_Mighty 05-03-2015 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx (Post 2235326)
None of those.

It's really 1/8" PT since that's what Japan uses, but for most of the world it's 1/8" BSPT. It's a tapered thread (pipe fitting) and for whatever reason the world doesn't use metric for that. I'm sure both the switch and temp sensor are the same.

The US mostly uses NPT and while you can thread an NPT fitting into a BSPT hole, it's not recommended at all.

So you would need the "RGA-36" fitting on the page you listed. I would caution using those copper tees though, they have been known to break over time. Usually when they stick straight out of the engine and you have like 2-3 things attached to them they break where they attach to the block. One option is to use one of these:

http://www.iagperformance.com/Prospo...p/psropkit.htm

And then put the tee on it and just ziptie/mount it someplace that way you don't have all the weight hanging off the block directly.

I want to use it for temperature so I think a relocation kit wouldn't be a good option for me (so much distance between the "fresh" oil and what's in the tube?

I guess that's the only reasonable option... :/

@Art_Mighty 05-05-2015 12:51 PM

So just confirming...

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx (Post 2235326)
None of those.

It's really 1/8" PT since that's what Japan uses, but for most of the world it's 1/8" BSPT. It's a tapered thread (pipe fitting) and for whatever reason the world doesn't use metric for that.

You're essentially saying that PT is that tapered version of BSPT so really; BSPT = PT?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx (Post 2235326)
I would caution using those copper tees though, they have been known to break over time. Usually when they stick straight out of the engine and you have like 2-3 things attached to them they break where they attach to the block.

Because this is a temp sensor using it with the relocation kit isn't ideal because there's too much "lag" between where the sensor it vs. where the oil is flowing. I really need a "T". I can get something custom machined from Stainless Steel with thick walls if longevity is an issue.

Thoughts?

malave7567 05-05-2015 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty (Post 2237930)
So just confirming...



You're essentially saying that PT is that tapered version of BSPT so really; BSPT = PT?



Because this is a temp sensor using it with the relocation kit isn't ideal because there's too much "lag" between where the sensor it vs. where the oil is flowing. I really need a "T". I can get something custom machined from Stainless Steel with thick walls if longevity is an issue.

Thoughts?

BSPT = PT. Just shortened nomenclature (removing the British Standard from the title, I believe Japan does this, as I've seen other parts from there just list PT). NPT is the one that is different and specific to the US.

I can't confirm the threads on those ports, but I am running the TRD Sandwich Plate for my gauges, and it does in fact use BSPT, so I would suspect the original sensors on the car also do.

aagun 05-05-2015 07:31 PM

install oil cooler (should have one if ur boxer boosted ) or this \/ \/

http://www.miataturbo.net/attachment...ine=1343267546

i use 1/8 bsp for oil pressure gauge with copper o ring

same mine

http://dc775.4shared.com/img/akcqSF7...55156255694916

http://dc772.4shared.com/img/veejhSP...34649999544524

http://dc738.4shared.com/img/q1GCqN-...83573635507712

Hags86 08-17-2017 02:49 AM

I've confirmed this.

The Oil Pressure Switch is a 1/8" BSPT (tapered 28 threads per inch fitting).

NPT is 27 threads per inch.

I had to measure it with a thread gauge 10 times before I was certain it was 28TPI as they are so close it was very hard to tell. Given I could barely tell the difference I'd reckon you could probably jam a 1/8 NPT 27TPI fitting in there and it would seal. However it is definitely a 28TPI BSPT fitting.

LS1M 08-20-2017 05:43 PM

I can vouch for the vs BSPT vs NPT thing. I originally threaded a 1/8" NPT fitting in there, started the engine, and sprayed oil all over the place. Lost probably a half-quart before I shut it down.

ballsdeep 08-10-2022 04:59 AM

Can anyone confirm the thread size of the oil temp sensor? It is bigger than the oil pressure sensor's 1/8PT.

Is it M12*1.5 or 1/4PT or?

jeepmor 08-10-2022 11:43 PM

Note to self, buy a oil filter stacking setup for this.

KillerBMotorsport 08-11-2022 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty (Post 2232914)
Hello!

Does anybody know what metric threads the oil pressure switch and temp sensor uses? I'm trying to buy the right T-fitting to install an oil temp guage

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...h%20Thread.jpg

Thanks!

Oil Pressure Switch is 1/8PT (BSPT)

Oil Temp is M10 x 1.25, but you don't want to Tee and take oil temps there. The better route is to get a Pan Drain Bolt Adapter. This will give you much better penetration into the oil vs a Tee that would be in stagnant oil.

We do offer a dual 1/8PT of you're looking to add oil pressure and retain the OEM pressure switch. It's made from billet Stainless and far stronger than a brass Tee.

[IMG]https://killerbmotorsports.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/EW8iyA88185Fn9bQkSs-eRkBkeMmT***1r8kDdUPcAsb0w?e=2CGSlN[/IMG]

We do have a drain plug adapter for the 2022+ BRZ/GR with 1/8 PT for oil temp sensors.

villainous_frx 08-19-2022 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBMotorsport (Post 3540842)
We do not yet have a drain plug adapter for the 2022+ BRZ/GR, but it is coming. Although... most temp sensors come in 1/8PT configuration which is we're planning to add unless the market demands otherwise.

Would this not work? M16x1.5 is the Gen1 drain plug fitment, and I would assume that carries over to Gen2.

https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/m1...t-adapter.html

KillerBMotorsport 08-19-2022 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villainous_frx (Post 3542443)
Would this not work? M16x1.5 is the Gen1 drain plug fitment, and I would assume that carries over to Gen2.

https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/m1...t-adapter.html

I'm going to say my coffee had not kicked in yet, because you're absolutely right. Thank you for catching that! I will update my previous post.

orz 09-03-2022 03:51 PM

Here's the setup I used.

http://i.imgur.com/u0wNk99.jpg

For Oil Pres/temp
http://i.imgur.com/a0U65Ad.jpg

For Water Temp 1/8pt fitting
http://i.imgur.com/COlOMiq.jpg


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