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Streich94 04-22-2015 11:59 AM

What is a better intake?
 
im having a hard time figuring out which intake is better, or which one is worth the money. can i get some opinions?

Perrin Cold Air intake vs Mishimoto Cold Air Intake?

gramicci101 04-22-2015 12:05 PM

GrimmSpeed air intake. They've done an incredible amount of testing and refining to make their product work well without affecting the AFR, which a lot of the others will do.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50492
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78902

BoxRZ_86 04-22-2015 12:11 PM

I love my Grimmspeed intake. I haven't had it on a dyno to know what my gains are. but I really enjoy the improved throttle response.

pinski 04-22-2015 12:30 PM

I'll be that guy: stock airbox plus a drop-in filter.

srizzors25 04-22-2015 12:59 PM

I've also got the stock airbox + k&n. Can't say I've noticed much of a difference. Can't speak for grimspeed but the results are pretty minor considering the cost difference.

Grimspeed airbox
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=236

K&N/Stock + other configurations
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=200

kch 04-22-2015 01:26 PM

The GS intake is a good product with lots of testing behind it, but I agree with @pinski -- a CAI is not the most cost-effective mod for these cars. You can get much of the benefit with just a drop-in filter.

Tcoat 04-22-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinski (Post 2222546)
I'll be that guy: stock airbox plus a drop-in filter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kch (Post 2222626)
The GS intake is a good product with lots of testing behind it, but I agree with @pinski -- a CAI is not the most cost-effective mod for these cars. You can get much of the benefit with just a drop-in filter.

For the 832nd time on the subject. These guys are correct.
Unless...you just want the change for looks.

extrashaky 04-22-2015 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2222629)
For the 832nd time on the subject. These guys are correct.
Unless...you just want the change for looks.

But!

Does the drop in filter come with stickers? Gotta have stickers if you want real gain.

Tcoat 04-22-2015 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2222758)
But!

Does the drop in filter come with stickers? Gotta have stickers if you want real gain.

Nope and it doesn't change the colour of the intake tube so you lose on that hp gain as well.

Streich94 04-22-2015 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2222764)
Nope and it doesn't change the colour of the intake tube so you lose on that hp gain as well.


So, you guys are saying if I don't have the stickers, it's like I didn't even put an intake in?
Where do I get stickers? More stickers means more hp, right?

Tcoat 04-22-2015 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Streich94 (Post 2222769)
Where do I get stickers?

Last time somebody asked that questions things didn't go so well!

http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads...r-adds-5hp.jpg

But really there are some great reviews on intakes and drop in filters in the tech section. Nothing will give you massive gains but drop ins will give you a bit and some nicer sound. The whole intake will do about the same and you get the added benefit of dressing up the bay a little but there is really nothing else to be gained for the extra money.

Streich94 04-22-2015 03:10 PM

Oh my god.... It is true what they say!
I need 2 of those.

Streich94 04-22-2015 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2222777)
Last time somebody asked that questions things didn't go so well!

http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads...r-adds-5hp.jpg

But really there are some great reviews on intakes and drop in filters in the tech section. Nothing will give you massive gains but drop ins will give you a bit and some nicer sound. The whole intake will do about the same and you get the added benefit of dressing up the bay a little but there is really nothing else to be gained for the extra money.


So it's all about personal preference. Because there's different opinions for drop-ins and redoing it.

Tcoat 04-22-2015 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streich94 (Post 2222784)
Oh my god.... It is true what they say!
I need 2 of those.

Oh go big or stay at home!

http://rlv.zcache.com/15_hp_bumper_s..._8byvr_512.jpg

Tcoat 04-22-2015 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streich94 (Post 2222789)
So it's all about personal preference. Because there's different opinions for drop-ins and redoing it.

Yep! Most of the dynos show very modest increases and drop ins and whole systems are about the same. They actually did a pretty good job engineering the stock intake so it is pretty hard to get much more out of an aftermarket one.

V_86 04-22-2015 03:49 PM

I get jittery about my K&N drop in after looking at hard data. Does this leaned out AFR cause any damage/problems over the long haul?

DuMa 04-22-2015 04:21 PM

what about the perrin inlet tube?

pinski 04-22-2015 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2222798)
Yep! Most of the dynos show very modest increases and drop ins and whole systems are about the same. They actually did a pretty good job engineering the stock intake so it is pretty hard to get much more out of an aftermarket one.

Most of the gains I saw were relatively equivalent between a cold air intake and a drop in + inlet tube. I went the latter route and got both for about $120. End result was a better sound, improved throttle response and maybe a smidge more oomph.

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_86 (Post 2222847)
I get jittery about my K&N drop in after looking at hard data. Does this leaned out AFR cause any damage/problems over the long haul?

I wouldn't worry about it - the MAF is after the filter and will tell the ECU to adjust the mix accordingly. The cars that were dynoed right after dropping it in probably haven't had time to adjust yet. I wouldn't be concerned about this at all.

Tcoat 04-22-2015 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinski (Post 2222907)
Most of the gains I saw were relatively equivalent between a cold air intake and a drop in + inlet tube. I went the latter route and got both for about $120. End result was a better sound, improved throttle response and maybe a smidge more oomph.
.

I got the same from just a TRD drop in with the stock inlet tube. That stock tube is as ugly as sin though!

pinski 04-22-2015 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2222926)
I got the same from just a TRD drop in with the stock inlet tube. That stock tube is as ugly as sin though!

No doubt - the main reason I got the Perrin tube was to delete the stock tube and the sound generator. Cleaned up the engine bay quite a bit on that alone.

pszuvela 04-23-2015 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2222515)
GrimmSpeed air intake. They've done an incredible amount of testing and refining to make their product work well without affecting the AFR, which a lot of the others will do.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50492
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78902



I agree. It provides a nice little increase in throttle response and a little kick but the best part is the sound is so much cleaner. And the engine bay looks much nicer too.

x1UP 04-23-2015 09:06 PM

+1 for GrimmSpeed, getting it tuned (hopefully) sometime next month.

vividracing 04-23-2015 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinski (Post 2222546)
I'll be that guy: stock airbox plus a drop-in filter.

+1. I have the OFH/OFT so I had to keep the airbox. But I did get the SuperTek intake tube and painted it to match the body color.

In the past I had the Injen intake system and hated it, it didn't look good and I honestly think the filter just doesn't do enough, and I'm inherently skeptical of all cone filters over stock. I just haven't seen real proof they filter out everything the stock filter does.

In my opnion with a new intake tube and getting rid of the side tank when you look to the left of the intake box, the stock intake box looks really good, and clean and simple.

I plan on having a drop in filter before my next change for a bit more gain.

-RyanG

JS + BRZ 04-23-2015 09:46 PM

Who do you like more, dad or mom?

Mishimoto 04-24-2015 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streich94 (Post 2222503)
im having a hard time figuring out which intake is better, or which one is worth the money. can i get some opinions?

Perrin Cold Air intake vs Mishimoto Cold Air Intake?

Thanks for considering our intake! As others have mentioned, there are numerous options available, all producing some pretty nice gains as well as improved intake sound.

We currently have one intake on the market, a cold-air system, and we are working on a second option which features an engine-bay mounted airbox.

We conducted a ton of testing on our first design, which is highlighted at the link below. We also discuss the R&D that went into creating this product, pretty neat stuff.

http://engineering.mishimoto.com/?cat=112

We made around 10whp/8wtq with this particular setup, some solid gains for an intake system on an NA vehicle.

Our second intake system is still in the works, but we are highlighting both development and testing in a similar fashion. Check it out!

http://engineering.mishimoto.com/?cat=260

Let me know if I can answer any questions about the intakes we have. Good luck with the modification of your BRZ!

-John


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