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Timmy_Jones 03-31-2015 10:57 AM
Stop Selling the Fiesta ST
 
Interesting read: http://petrolblog.com/2015/03/why-th...led-from-sale/


I personally love the FiST and the twins. Thought this was a funny read.

DarkSunrise 03-31-2015 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 2192535)
Interesting read: http://petrolblog.com/2015/03/why-th...led-from-sale/


I personally love the FiST and the twins. Thought this was a funny read.
The FiST is good value for the price, but the more I think about it, it's too small. It doesn't have the practicality I would want from a hot hatch.

The FiST has 31" of leg room in the rear (vs. 36" in a GTI.) It also has just 26 cf of luggage room with the rear seats folded (vs. 46 cf for the GTI.)

The FoST is probably the car I'd pick if I had to replace my FR-S and GTI with a single car. Not as fun as an FR-S and not as refined as a GTI, but a nice middle ground between the two.

Timmy_Jones 03-31-2015 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2192567)
The FiST is good value for the price, but the more I think about it, it's too small. It doesn't have the practicality I would want from a hot hatch.

The FiST has 31" of leg room in the rear (vs. 36" in a GTI.) It also has just 26 cf of luggage room with the rear seats folded (vs. 46 cf for the GTI.)

The FoST is probably the car I'd pick if I had to replace my FR-S and GTI with a single car. Not as fun as an FR-S and not as refined as a GTI, but a nice middle ground between the two.
I partly agree....the FiST does almost everything right. Its an incredible car....right up until you sit in one. The seating position is so awful, you sit up so high. Its like you are ON the car, not IN it.

The focus did a better job of this, but is just so big.

DarkSunrise 03-31-2015 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 2192573)
I partly agree....the FiST does almost everything right. Its an incredible car....right up until you sit in one. The seating position is so awful, you sit up so high. Its like you are ON the car, not IN it.

The focus did a better job of this, but is just so big.
Yeah that's the other thing I heard about the FiST - it's like sitting on a bar stool with a steering wheel. Still crazy they sell them under $20k though.

Personally I think the FoST is a good size for a hot hatch. The rear seats might even be a little tight for what I expect, but I could make it work.

Timmy_Jones 03-31-2015 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2192577)
Yeah that's the other thing I heard about the FiST - it's like sitting on a bar stool with a steering wheel. Still crazy they sell them under $20k though.

Personally I think the FoST is a good size for a hot hatch. The rear seats might even be a little tight for what I expect, but I could make it work.
If you get the chance, go and test drive one. It really is a great car, seating position just isn't right...but what can you expect out of a performance hatch?

GotBRZ1691 03-31-2015 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 2192535)
Interesting read: http://petrolblog.com/2015/03/why-th...led-from-sale/


I personally love the FiST and the twins. Thought this was a funny read.
My GF owns a Fiesta ST and this is my biggest complaint. The seat is too high and so is the center consul. My driving position in her car puts my elbow in the center consul every time i shift into an even gear. Its a great car though otherwise.

continuecrushing 03-31-2015 12:35 PM
haha, I just sent this to my coworker/FiST owner

Haven't had a ride in the car yet though

Frost 03-31-2015 01:31 PM
You guys have all been spoiled with the FRZ platform I guess.

My DD (see sig) sits just as high and I've been in the FiST and FoST and I think the reason why you think the FoST sits better is because the car is overall bigger. I don't think your head, relative to the road, are that much different.

AustinG 03-31-2015 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2192567)
The FiST has 31" of leg room in the rear (vs. 36" in a GTI.)

Beats the 0" in the Twins ;)

DarkSunrise 03-31-2015 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AustinG (Post 2193315)
Beats the 0" in the Twins ;)
There are rear seats in the Twins!? :D



More seriously, one of the main reasons to buy a hot hatch is for the practicality and cargo space - two areas where the FiST lacks. The big brother FoST (or a car like the GTI) is about the right size, at least IMO.

Quentin 04-01-2015 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2192567)
The FiST is good value for the price, but the more I think about it, it's too small. It doesn't have the practicality I would want from a hot hatch.



The FiST has 31" of leg room in the rear (vs. 36" in a GTI.) It also has just 26 cf of luggage room with the rear seats folded (vs. 46 cf for the GTI.)



The FoST is probably the car I'd pick if I had to replace my FR-S and GTI with a single car. Not as fun as an FR-S and not as refined as a GTI, but a nice middle ground between the two.

And you have to consider Ford's BS way of measuring rear legroom. They basically lie by repositioning the front seat when they measure the rear seat room when everyone else leaves the front seat in the position where they measured front legroom.


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DarkSunrise 04-01-2015 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 2193831)
And you have to consider Ford's BS way of measuring rear legroom. They basically lie by repositioning the front seat when they measure the rear seat room when everyone else leaves the front seat in the position where they measured front legroom.


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You know what, that would probably explain why the FoST's rear seats felt a little cramped. On paper, it's just a 2" difference between the FoST and GTI. Different story when you actually sit in them though.

Model Citizen 04-01-2015 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2192567)
The FoST is probably the car I'd pick if I had to replace my FR-S and GTI with a single car. Not as fun as an FR-S and not as refined as a GTI, but a nice middle ground between the two.
Back in november we cross shopped the fist and mk7 gti for gfmobile. She had a mk6 tdi golf.

I desperately wanted her to get the fist (just because it would have been less money in a car to drive 100k).

She wanted the gti.

She got the gti

its much better than the mkv and mk6, it also knocks the fost out of consideration automatically, theres no regrets.

DarkSunrise 04-01-2015 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Model Citizen (Post 2194441)
Back in november we cross shopped the fist and mk7 gti for gfmobile. She had a mk6 tdi golf.

I desperately wanted her to get the fist (just because it would have been less money in a car to drive 100k).

She wanted the gti.

She got the gti

its much better than the mkv and mk6, it also knocks the fost out of consideration automatically, theres no regrets.
The mk7 is definitely nice. I thought about trading up, but given the way I use my mk6 (basically a sporty DD), it didn't make sense for that extra performance.

That said, I think there's a place for the FoST in the market. It's still probably the go-to choice for people who want a more fun car than the GTI and don't care about interior refinement. Of the US hot hatches, it's the most willing to lift-throttle oversteer, which is important since we're talking about FWD cars that can't rotate on power. I might actually take it over the mk7 GTI if I needed to consolidate my cars.

Demandred7 04-03-2015 12:59 PM
I sat in the FiST at the car show and as much as I would agree with the sitting on instead of in thing, my issue is with the seat cushion bolsters. Not to be crass, but, I have entirely too much junk to have my legs forced together by those Recaros all of the time (and I'm no pornstar).

Funny enough, I didn't have the same issue in the FoST. If I didn't have an FR-S, I would need to go with the FoST.

Quentin 04-03-2015 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2194598)
The mk7 is definitely nice. I thought about trading up, but given the way I use my mk6 (basically a sporty DD), it didn't make sense for that extra performance.



That said, I think there's a place for the FoST in the market. It's still probably the go-to choice for people who want a more fun car than the GTI and don't care about interior refinement. Of the US hot hatches, it's the most willing to lift-throttle oversteer, which is important since we're talking about FWD cars that can't rotate on power. I might actually take it over the mk7 GTI if I needed to consolidate my cars.

Ford applies a brake to the inside front wheel to help the car rotate. Cooks the brakes pretty badly on the track doing that according to a friend that used to track one. It likely isn't an issue on the street, but I'd rather have the power pack GTI that has an actual LSD and doesn't use brake tricks to make it handle. Something just seems dirty about using the brakes to induce rotation.


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DarkSunrise 04-03-2015 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 2197920)
Ford applies a brake to the inside front wheel to help the car rotate. Cooks the brakes pretty badly on the track doing that according to a friend that used to track one. It likely isn't an issue on the street, but I'd rather have the power pack GTI that has an actual LSD and doesn't use brake tricks to make it handle. Something just seems dirty about using the brakes to induce rotation.


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Yeah that's actually an issue for the MK6 GTI as well. It uses brake-based torque vectoring (XDS). When heat starts building up in the brakes at the track, I can feel them fade. I actually almost lost them going 100+ into a braking zone.

I agree about not liking the concept in principle, but I wonder if an easy solution like BBK + track pads would be enough. Costly though. And you're right, could be a good reason to go for the GTI + PP.

kbye 04-03-2015 02:28 PM
Weird, I have never heard of the Fiesta and Focus being referred to as "FiST" and "FoST" until this thread.

NWFRS 04-03-2015 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 2193332)
There are rear seats in the Twins!?
THERE ARE!

I just went out and looked!

Sideways&Smiling 04-04-2015 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 2197981)
THERE ARE!

I just went out and looked!
Those are rear legless amputee children stands, not rear seats.

Sideways&Smiling 04-04-2015 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 2197920)
Ford applies a brake to the inside front wheel to help the car rotate. Cooks the brakes pretty badly on the track doing that according to a friend that used to track one. It likely isn't an issue on the street, but I'd rather have the power pack GTI that has an actual LSD and doesn't use brake tricks to make it handle. Something just seems dirty about using the brakes to induce rotation.


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With the new AWD Focus RS they are going to be using the throttle instead of braking. Should be nice!

Quentin 04-04-2015 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2199087)
With the new AWD Focus RS they are going to be using the throttle instead of braking. Should be nice!

Good to hear. I'm a lot more accepting of sending more power to certain wheels to achieve rotation instead of basically doing automated handbrake turns.


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.RYAN 04-13-2015 08:33 PM
I'd buy a FiST if we got the three door here.


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