No one is saying the car is going to fall apart...

10char....

Here here! I LOVE the stock suspension on my BRZ. It's tactile (probably to help make up for the fact that the power-assist steering eliminates the wheel as a source of road-feel), yet not too harsh either. I MIGHT get new springs or dampers sometime as well as cascams as the new grippier tires (PSS's as opposed to the stock Primacies) are still gripping when the stocks would be slipping and I'm feeling more body roll now. But nowhere near bad enough that changes are necessary.

Stock suspension on this car is simply lovely, and one of the reasons I love this car: handling from the factory is damn near perfect!

My point still stands.

This discussion is about how the car is going to react while driving, not a mechanical safety issue.

I think it's a valid experiment.

Will his handling be affected? Yes.
Will his ride quality increase? Possibly
Will he instantly lose control? Doubtful

Save the flaming for the guys running max camber on stretched tires. THAT is actually dangerous.

Ps. Where do you get the softer swaybars? I might be the Guinnea pig

You are still searching for a better ride? Just get some tiny wheels and big side wall tires. Or just buy a g35/g37

Right on. The car will not fall apart.

My concern is excessive oversteer that is difficult to correct and could catch a lot of people by surprise. Lift-throttle oversteer for sure, but possibly a lot on corner exit too. Might not be a concern for going slowly around town, but as I said in my first post:

"I do not recommend simply removing your front swaybar and then driving quickly."

- Andrew

If you want a better ride on a budget, here's what I recommend:

Stock springs
Koni Yellows on full soft OR Bilstein HDs

Done.

- Andrew

i think everyone forgot, OP said he daily's his car, NOT TRACK HIS CAR. why does everyone on this forum thinks everyone should be concerned about building the best track car possible.

No, we were talking about most people who lower their FWD cars to the point where a FSB will keep them to high, or they cant bolt their end links to their air ride struts. i bet less than 10% of people on vortex are auto-x'ing their cars.

and what do you consider max camber on stretched tires. why is THAT, THAT dangerous. is a 215/40 on a 8" dangerous to you how about a 8.5", 9", 9.5", 10", 10.5", 11".
When do YOU think its dangerous and what proof do you have. and how about camber when is it dangerous and why? is it because you get a smaller contact patch even though you could be running a 235/35 on a 18x11 with up to -6 and still have more contact patch than stock wheels


so sick of ignorant "track guys" on this forum

That's why my first post in here said he'd be better off removing both bars.


What he really needs to do is sell the car and buy something different or get a different DD if he wants a sweet smooth ride.

All the more reason it is important to ensure reasonably neutral handling at the limit. Because you might be put at the limit *without warning*, whereas at the track you will be approaching the limit on purpose and in a controlled environment.

An FR-S/BRZ without a front bar is going to be more prone to oversteer at the limit, which will increase the likelihood of losing control in an emergency maneuver situation. Hardly worth it for a small perceived improvement in ride quality IMO...

I'm not talking about this from a track perspective at all. I'm talking about when you're on an off-ramp and come across someone going 25 mph under the speed limit...or a deer...or a giant ass pothole...your neighbor's cat...or some road debris. Hit the brakes and say hello to the guardrail (if you're lucky). I do NOT want someone to read the first post and remove their front swaybar thinking there are no consequences.

I really don't care much about vwvortex or ft86club people slamming their cars on air-ride. That's not my scene. I have my opinion about it but whatever...different strokes.

- Andrew

And I'm sick of people making ignorant unsafe recommendations on this forum.

Have we found Suberman's new account name?