anyone with the new hawk street/race pad?
 

http://www.hawkperformance.com/perfo...ce-street-race


According to how Hawk pits it, this sounds like the dream of us track junkies. A steerable race compounds with temperature from 100 to 1200. Surprisingly though there isn't a lot of review on the internet, anyone has one to share some thoughts?


Looks like this will be good enough to go with some nice sticky Hoosiers for my supercharged BRZ!

"it is the ultimate high performance, street brake pad! Perfect for aggressive street car owners that also use their cars for autocross, HPDE, open track and time trail racing."

streetrace on the box.
street/race in the description.
it's a hybrid pad.
time TRAIL?
they call it streetrace to get the biggest market out of it.

Looks like a replacement for the HP+ and the High Performance Street 5.0 looks like a new HPS replacement.

Looks interesting, but expensive enough to NEED to be quite good to not go carbotech/etc.

Just as a guess, it sounds like something that will last a few laps on track, not a full 20-25 minute session.

On the other hand, I've had great luck with Carbotechs on my old Miata. Dusty and noisy on the street, but fantastic on track and easy on rotors.

Idk about the new ones but I purchased the HP+ for track days and noticed a huge difference over stock. There is even a noticeable gain in stopping power over the Hawk PC ceramic pads. Which I use on the street. There was fade once in the very last 5 minutes of the very last run at Watkins Glen. I am no brake pad expert but this is what I observed. I actually plan on switching to Ferodo DS2500 as soon as these wear out.

I remember hp+ was noisy for street use

You are correct sir. Quite loud. Even after I properly bedded them with brand new rotors. Doesn't bother me though.

We've been running HP+ for a long time (15+ years) and they are a great crossover pad. Some applications are noisy, although when we ran the HP+ on our Project BRZ we didn't have much noise at all.

We switched over last August to these new Street-Race Pads and they have had a bit more longevity than the HP+. From what I've been told they are a slightly turned down DTC-30 compound.

Our thoughts are that rather than have a price increase on the HP+ and the HPS they will be phasing in the Street-Race and 5.0 pads as a way to bump pricing on the HP+ and HPS.

No issues with these pads for folks crossing over though who need a hybrid type pad.

-mike

It only really bothered me when I pulled up next to law enforcement. Also they dust and ate my rotor heavy. But the braking power was great. This was all on s2000 though.

Ironic, as this would be a prime selling point for myself.
I may be trying the new Hawk compound myself in my FR-S for C-Street autocross, however, I think I'll opt for HPS 5.0 pad, (the pad between the HPS and HP+), as I think this may be better suited for autocross on street tires.

Why would it matter if your brakes squealed next to law enforcement?

I've run these for a couple track days at Gingerman and Grattan raceway here in MI.

They work really well on track with stock rotors and some high-temp fluid. I've also been doing a bed-in procedure before each event.

They're a lot quieter than Hawk's HP+ and they squeak just a bit on the road once your pad material wears off the rotor from a track day. They're probably hard on rotors, and they dust like crazy, but they are a great track pad that is quiet enough for daily use.

Here's a video with them at Gingerman:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWRMowb_-wg"]WR TV Subaru BRZ Shakedown at Gingerman Raceway - WR TV POV Track Test - YouTube[/ame]

Gingerman is especially hard on brakes, and these held up well.

And most recently, at Grattan:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=727yGtDycRw"]WR TV Subaru BRZ Hot Lap at Grattan Raceway - YouTube[/ame]

Quick update. My first post says I had brake fade with the HP+ pads, which is accurate, when I only had front pads and stock rotors. I recently did a track day with both front and rear HP+ pads and Stoptech slotted rotors and had zero brake fade. I highly recommend these pads for the track and for the street if you don't care about sounding like a bus when you come to a stop.

Did you upsize the rotors at all? I had fade with the HP+ front and rear on stock rotors - this was a track that wasn't super kind to brakes though, and it's pretty warm in my part of the world.

I haven't tracked the HP+ since, and if I do there's going to be some cooldown laps mid session to get them to breathe a bit.

For autocross folks, I recently had someone codrive my car and it took her forever (8 runs) to come to terms with how high the initial bite is (she's a past national champ, no slouch). It's a great pad for autocross IF you can understand how the pad works and can adapt your braking style to it. I know a couple other locals who just can't get their heads around it and opted for a less aggressive pad.

The rotors are stock sized but are the slotted Stoptech ones. THESE ONES. I was at Watkins Glen and did not have any issue all day. My main focus for the day was practicing threshold braking too. Have you flushed your brake fluid to a higher grade fluid?

I used Motul RBF 600. The HP+ got hot enough to make the powder coating or whatever it is on the backing plate bubble up, never seen a pad do that.

It doesn't take much heat to do that. Even the entry level Winmax pad (a pure street pad, mind you), will do that.

If you're not boiling RBF600, then that's an indicator to me that the new Hawk pad is not really a race pad.

None of the Hawk street pads are race pads. If you want a race pad you need to go to the DTC line.

-mike

What's the price on these? Are they comparable to PMu Hc800?

Not even close, and the HC+800 isn't a race pad either.

They are defiantly not a race pad. However, they are perfect for the street and track due to the broad temperature the friction material is effective. Aside from them being squeaky I am a fan. I beat the piss out of these pads for 3 HPDE events at Watkins Glen with no fade at all. (With supporting brake mods including stoptech rotors/rbf600 fluid/ss lines.) I like them for autocross to where there is not an opportunity to get the pads to temp.

This is from 2008 but it should give you an idea.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_...hawk-brake.jpg

Not looking for a race pad. Looking for a nice hybrid dual purpose pad.

Just an FYI, I was told my someone at Hawk that this pad is just a replacement for the HP+ with less noise. It should have the same stopping characteristics, resistance to fade, etc as the HP+ simply with less noise.

edit: I was told this around April 2014, well before the pad was released.

That's old infoat best. I have been in contact with my reps and we've been selling their products for more than a decade. The Hawk Street-Race is essentially a DTC-30 with slightly better cold performance (so it doesn't kill your rotors when cold). That's what the official Hawk information is on these pads.

My personal feeling is that the Hawk Street-Race will eventually replace the HP+ and the 5.0 will replace the HPS as both are about 10-15% more expensive respectively. In the next year or 2 we will see the HPS and HP+ slowly go away.

-mike

For a dual purpose pad the HP+ or the Street-Race will serve you well.

-mike

I'll second the HP+. Excellent pad for this car.

hey sean


did you ever make the switch to any of Hawk's new pads? Thoughts?

I did not. I bought another set of Stoptech 309's for the front only (I'm now at 54K+ miles). Most of the fast guys will tell you that you shouldn't be using the brakes on cars like ours with no power anyway, so I stuck with what I had, as I didn't want to go with LESS bite (Hawk HPS, or OEM).


Now, that being said I did this before I ran on the new Bridgestone RE71R cheater tires....now knowing the new level of grip (they're really NOT street tires), I would say the 309 Stoptech pads are now the minimum of what car would need for initial bite. With the grip of the new tires, I'd probably prefer something just slightly more aggressive, so one of the new Hawk compounds could still be a hot ticket.

The Hawk Street/Race pads feel great on my FRS in terms of bite/feel, but they dusted like crazy and very noticeably grooved all of my rotors after only ~1-2k miles. Did anyone else have a similar experience? I ran HP+s previously on my Celica for significantly longer without such grooving and was hoping the street/race would be in the same ballpark.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/pictu...pictureid=9993
(stock front rotor after 4k miles on Hawk Street/Race pads, mainly street + 1 day at Streets of Willow)

I used the Street/Race pads for autocross only at the end of last season. As far as I'm concerned they are repackaged HP+'s. Great initial bite but with the typical HP+ noise and dust.