Did you upsize the rotors at all? I had fade with the HP+ front and rear on stock rotors - this was a track that wasn't super kind to brakes though, and it's pretty warm in my part of the world.

I haven't tracked the HP+ since, and if I do there's going to be some cooldown laps mid session to get them to breathe a bit.

For autocross folks, I recently had someone codrive my car and it took her forever (8 runs) to come to terms with how high the initial bite is (she's a past national champ, no slouch). It's a great pad for autocross IF you can understand how the pad works and can adapt your braking style to it. I know a couple other locals who just can't get their heads around it and opted for a less aggressive pad.

The rotors are stock sized but are the slotted Stoptech ones. THESE ONES. I was at Watkins Glen and did not have any issue all day. My main focus for the day was practicing threshold braking too. Have you flushed your brake fluid to a higher grade fluid?

I used Motul RBF 600. The HP+ got hot enough to make the powder coating or whatever it is on the backing plate bubble up, never seen a pad do that.

It doesn't take much heat to do that. Even the entry level Winmax pad (a pure street pad, mind you), will do that.

If you're not boiling RBF600, then that's an indicator to me that the new Hawk pad is not really a race pad.

None of the Hawk street pads are race pads. If you want a race pad you need to go to the DTC line.

-mike

What's the price on these? Are they comparable to PMu Hc800?

Not even close, and the HC+800 isn't a race pad either.

They are defiantly not a race pad. However, they are perfect for the street and track due to the broad temperature the friction material is effective. Aside from them being squeaky I am a fan. I beat the piss out of these pads for 3 HPDE events at Watkins Glen with no fade at all. (With supporting brake mods including stoptech rotors/rbf600 fluid/ss lines.) I like them for autocross to where there is not an opportunity to get the pads to temp.

This is from 2008 but it should give you an idea.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_...hawk-brake.jpg

Not looking for a race pad. Looking for a nice hybrid dual purpose pad.

Just an FYI, I was told my someone at Hawk that this pad is just a replacement for the HP+ with less noise. It should have the same stopping characteristics, resistance to fade, etc as the HP+ simply with less noise.

edit: I was told this around April 2014, well before the pad was released.

That's old infoat best. I have been in contact with my reps and we've been selling their products for more than a decade. The Hawk Street-Race is essentially a DTC-30 with slightly better cold performance (so it doesn't kill your rotors when cold). That's what the official Hawk information is on these pads.

My personal feeling is that the Hawk Street-Race will eventually replace the HP+ and the 5.0 will replace the HPS as both are about 10-15% more expensive respectively. In the next year or 2 we will see the HPS and HP+ slowly go away.

-mike

For a dual purpose pad the HP+ or the Street-Race will serve you well.

-mike

I'll second the HP+. Excellent pad for this car.

hey sean


did you ever make the switch to any of Hawk's new pads? Thoughts?