Budget boost
 

I've been looking at the best boost options on a limited budget (sound contradictory, I know).
I can only budget ~$3000 on a kit, plus tuning. This much money on my car is already going to be a super tough sell to my wife. I'm also doing the install to save money, so any significant fabrication/cutting/welding is out of the question.
So far, I've reviewed:
Phantom ESC, which are backlogged at least 6 months and seems to be in a state of constant change/refinement.
Speed By Design (@spdbydesignchris), but that would need crash beam cutting and some reviews have me concerned. I do like the free OFT tune to get me started.
If money wasn't a factor, I'd go Jackson Racing as I've had their SC in the past on my Civic, installation is straight forward, and I read great reviews from fellow forum members. Pricing of at least $4800 puts that out of the picture, though.
JDL (@JDLAutoDesign) is in the same boat. Excellent product, but too expensive and beyond my humble goals of what I need out of a daily driver.
Works (@WORKS) has a "budget" $3300 kit that would fit my modest goals, includes a free OFT tune, but has limited upgrade room and seems quite overpriced compared to what I'm focusing on, which is.....
Sprintex (formerly Innovate) supercharger base kit at $3200. My JRSC in the past was twin screw and I was in love with the low end performance and intoxicating whine. Over time I can added the intercooler, smaller pulley, fuel upgrades, and more tuning to reach my end goal years down the road. Infamous Performance in CA is running a sale, with tune and license, for $3160. I'm waiting to hear back to confirm details and pricing with them.

In respect to my budget limitations, what are your thoughts?

Also, any other local options in my budget range from Vivid (@vividracing), JDL , Goodspeed, CZP (@Mike@CZP), or other respected online vendors such as @CounterSpace Garage or @FT-86 SpeedFactory?

If you plan on tracking you will need an oil cooler. ~500 Some say you would need it on the street if you plan on doing any long pulls. I have read people reaching 260f+ oil temps in the mountains going uphill.
If you want max reliability/power you would need to tune the base tune at a tuner, which is not cheap. Don't forget brakes/tires.

Wouldn't you want to want to budget for things like improved radiator, an oil cooler, exhaust, and likely a new clutch?

He has modest goals for power, and as he said its his DD. Let's assume he's not going to track the car (op please clarify).

All my research is pointing me towards the SBD kit. I already have the oft, and it seems many users just used the canned tune with great results. They do sell a mountain of these kits, and unless they put the hush on all the bad experiences (which seems impossible) they seem to be pretty darn reliable by the fact that the board isn't full of complaints and issues with them. (perhaps not the best reasoning, but it holds SOME water)

Also, new features with the oft allow "alarms" to be set off given certain, programmable conditions. Seems like we're safer than ever with these features. Undoubtedly there will be templates put up for what we should have for alarms as well. The main "extra" cost I see with this kit is a good turbo blanket+header wrap to keep under-hood temps down.

In regards to the crash beam issue. There was a thread about an individual cutting it then boxing it all back in. Looked like a fair amount of work, but if you're decent at all with a welder and a grinder I think you should be able to manage. It was a while ago but i remember thinking it would be reasonably comparable in strength to an unmodified bar.

An oil cooler isnt something you have to have if its your DD. Ideal for track days or spirited driving in the mountains, but driving down the freeway at 65 MPH doesnt get the oil to 260. And if it is... you have other issues you need to attend to.

All of those listed parts are to support bigger gains and if he is shooting for low boost then all of that is completely not needed.

As for the stock clutch people are seeing different results here so its hard to tell...

Most people have been saying good things about the exedy stage 1 clutch and LWFW pack and its almost always on sale for around 350 or so.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...lutch+slipping

Full blown's clutch held up to 290 HP and 215 TQ

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...n+stage&page=4

hey! There are a couple of different options. If you make it out to some of our meets, there is a West-sider who has a white Fr-S with an electric supercharger on it and an OFT tune. It pushes about 230-235 to the floor, which is modest, and his install took him about 2-3 hours tops. The car pulls from start-stop and the charge runs 90s of boost before "depleting" the battery, which is constantly recharged by the vehicle during driving.

He mentioned not having enough space to do a full pull without worrying for tickets, and I want to say he came in under $3000 as a "budget build" himself.

What is your end game, @R3NIK? What are you looking for, overall, knowing your situation has been similar to mine up to this point.

Thanks for all the replies.

First, this is my daily driver. I may attend an autocross or trackday event once a year, but mainly will be driving 30+ miles on the freeway for my work commute. Occasional trips up to Canyon Lake would be where I'd have some fun. Overall I want more usable power in daily driving, along with reliability.

Exhaust and wheels/tires/suspension was essentially done at this point, with LCAs being the only outstanding item I need for better alignment. I have a catback, Eibach springs and sways, lighter wheels, and 225x45x17 slightly-less-crappy-than-primacy tires.

With my goals, a clutch is definitely note a requirement yet and an oil cooler would be something to get if I tracked more than a few hours a year. I'd be keeping a close eye on oil temps in the meantime.

Celadrielas, I'll be at the meet tonight to hopefully check your OFT setup out and also other boosted vehicles. I know I saw the Phantom ESC at 86Fest, but they're a minimum 6 months wait to get. They can be had for under $2K and OFT has tunes, but attainability is the problem.

I'll further investigate the SBD kit since the Drift Armor crash bar and pre-drilled oil pan would make it possible to install myself Of course I'd still be offering pizza and beer for local help :thumbsup:

Right on, Man. I'll see you tonight.

If you can upgrade your budget to $3800ish total, Innovate SC with ecutek tune from Bill @ Delicious tuning is GREAT.

And you don't need clutch, oil cooler, or any of that at first. Down the road its all upgradable too which makes it real fun/ easy. I ran the base kit for 10k miles before upgrading to smaller pulley and e85... and only after that + a 3" exhaust did I start slipping the clutch. I'm still on the stock fuel system too which is almost maxed out at the point I am at.


I can give you a ride if you want to feel what the extra power gives you.

Will you be at the meet tonight? I'll be there between 7:30 and 8PM.

This is pretty much what im going for. Twin screw with some exhaust work and just add parts over time. Tweak it as needed...


How you liking the SC? I bet its pretty intoxicating lol

I think @JesseE is a West-sider, if I remember correctly. (?)

also has a little one if memory suits me, making his appearance for tonight a maybe at best.

Innovate seems out of the picture. No vendors seem to have any stock left and Sprintex isn't offering a bundled tune. The best deal I can find on the compressor would be ~$3700, non intercooled, with an EcuTek tune. I'd net maybe 200 whp.
For $500 more a forum vendor will ship me a complete Kraftwerks kit that has an arguably better compressor style, intercooler, EcuTek package, and tune sourced from Delicious. $4200 would be just over my budgeted limit.
I messaged JDL to see what they can cook up. Hopefully that have something they can piece together for a local guy.
The last option would be to stay NA, buy EcuTek, FlexFuel, Header, and Front/Over pipes to complement my existing catback. That's about $2000 and would maybe put 200hp to the wheels? I'd have to find someone with a similar setup to see how it drives.
Overall the Kraftwerks seems to give the best hp/$ ratio and has incredible reviews.

Moto-East has the kit (no IC) for 3200 with a pro ecu kit and tune for an extra 750. Im sure if you ask someone with a cable you could bring that price down... and there is no way it would only net 200 WHP... stock pulley with base map (i think) was like 220? But with some E85 and a smaller pulley, you could probably see 250.

The numbers I got were from dynos posted on Delicious.
http://www.delicioustuning.com/sites..._Tune_75mm.jpg
Sounds about right if stock is barely doing 150 whp. My non IC JRSC did the same 45hp at 6.5 psi years ago on my Civic. Back then JRSC was doing using twin screw also.
I will talk to Mike @ Moto-East for some ideas, as he seems very active in the forums.

Yeah I'm that white FRS with the Phantom ECS that was at 86Fest/East Side meet two weeks ago. I bought my setup ran $2650 out the door (Used OFT W/E85 tune, ECS,Batteries, Used Borla Headers, and the car came with a TRD Exhaust off the lot).

Basically, keep an eye on the member classifieds like a hawk. Ive seen 4 ESCs on there since October. When do you want to be boosted by? Thats the real question. I have noticed is alot of kits (both turbo and SC) go for sale cheap in the fall, when the weather starts turning cold up north. I think the ECS would be an awesome fit if you are just looking to daily,(even on the track they do well) and I believe it would get you where you want to be. I daily my car, and just wanted a little more "umph". The torque and power kick in at lower revs, which makes daily driving alot more enjoyable (you no longer strugle merging onto the freeway in the low/mid rev range). However, like you said they are hard to get a hold of. Phantom seems to be churning them out a bit faster as of late, I would contact them, just to get on the list, worst case scenario, you pass on it if you decide to go a different direction. Simplicity,price and daily usability are its main selling points. I have to swing out to Scottsdale this weekend to get some E85, if you want a ride shoot me a PM.

-Griffin aka gto5005

They have a group buy listed so I left their shop a voicemail. $3734 shipped with tune. Their posts claim they have the longest experience with that setup and tuning, which would explain why they have better dynos posted (accounting for dyno types). $500 less than the Kraftwerks does help and I'll be 2.5 hours away from their shop in two weeks to check it out in person. It's mighty tempting to pull the trigger right now, but I'd still like to get a proper drive on a JR or KW kit first.

Aaaand here's one http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...55#post2119855

Yeah that seems like a low reading dyno... which i think delicious always says it reads low.

I think most cars stock are around 168-171 hp and so 138 would seem REALLY low lol

And it didnt last long... Lol

After quite a few phone calls with Mike @ Moto-East, I ordered the Sprintex kit this morning.
I also have to hand it to the guys at JDL, they offered me a killer deal, too. Sadly it was a little out of my price range (curse that sales tax) and the ease of installation and maintenance on the SC was key to going with Sprintex. It should fit my daily driver needs well, with plenty of head room for upgrades in the future (UEL header, FlexFuel, oil cooler, etc). The reviews on the Moto-East tunes, plus their incredibly reasonable update prices, were also huge determining factors.

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That kinda sells it right there.

Sorry couldn't make it to the meet this week, like someone above said I got a 1.5 year old and meets depends on his sleep schedule for the most part! lol




I have a ecutek cable you can borrow to flash it if you need to borrow it for a couple hours or whatever

With my setup I am pretty sure I make around 300whp, My clutch is finally broken in and I am going to go dyno my car very soon!

I love it! especially now with the e85 and smaller pulley.


Right now with good 235/40/18 falkens, without TC 1st and 2nd will spin the tires on full throttle almost anywhere in the rev range... if its wet at all spins in 3rd too.
Makes for some very fun wet driving :-D:burnrubber:


Truth be told I miss my 30+mpg when I was stock long long ago... but now that gas is half the price who cares:thumbup:

What's your full setup?

That sound is amazing....


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This is what sold the kit for me honestly. Just waiting to graduate from school!!

I have had 3 different FI setups on my FRS. The first was an Innovate kit on e85 and no IC. I will say even though the car doesn't make monster power, it is very fun to drive. The low end power really makes the car come alive. The guy I sold the kit to is on the forum and still has the kit on his car with zero issues. Good luck with your new found power when it arrives. If you have nay questions feel free to shoot me a PM.

Cheers

Innovate kit (no IC)
Delicious tuning 68mm pulley
e85 Delicious tune (fa20 flex fuel kit)
Borla header, Borla over pipe and cat delete kit
Custom 3" catback with 3" resonator and 3" maganflow muffler (single exit)
K&N filter
Fidanza v2 light weight flywheel 6 puck clutch kit.

I need the header, over, and front pipe still but otherwise we'll be quite similar. Getting an e85 and transition map on my tune