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LucidMomentum 01-21-2015 09:50 AM

Toyota to build on GT86 with RND concept. Details on Jan 26th.
 
According to EVO magazine UK:

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/15026/toyo...e-car-promised

Toyota is making a new "fun to drive" car, and claim that it's going to be big. Pricing and manufacturing are already determined, apparently.

gymratter 01-21-2015 10:07 AM

Toyota RND Concept teased ahead of January 26 reveal
 

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Will "changing the face of motoring within weeks"

Toyota has released a teaser image of the new RND Concept, set to be fully unveiled on January 26.

The Japanese company explains it is “breaking with motor industry convention by revealing a new product outside the familiar surroundings of an international motor show”. Instead, the new concept vehicle will make its world debut in the UK, “ready for fast-track development that should see it changing the face of motoring within weeks”.

The first teaser photo of the machine hints at “how the concept’s design marks a radical shift in direction for Toyota”. Although presented as a concept, Toyota says the RND will be unveiled in its production-ready form.

Matt Harrison, president of Toyota GB, commented: “Full details of the RND Concept will be announced next week, but ahead of the official unveiling I can say that this is something we are proud of and that will make a valuable contribution to the world we live in.”
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11501218...uary-26-reveal

gymratter 01-21-2015 10:07 AM

Press Release

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First details of new model released ahead of world debut next week

Toyota is breaking with motor industry convention by revealing a new product outside the familiar surroundings of an international motor show. Instead its new RND Concept will make its world debut in the UK on 26th January, ready for fast-track development that should see it changing the face of motoring within weeks.

The first image released today hints at how the concept’s design marks a radical shift in direction for Toyota, taking the “fun-to-drive” qualities of its cars to a higher level. Although presented as a concept, Toyota acknowledges the RND will be unveiled in its production-ready form.

Manufacturing and product supply have been secured and on-the-road pricing has been fixed at a level that will make the RND Concept accessible to the widest possible market.

Toyota is confident, too, that the RND Concept’s impact will go far beyond its own model range, having the potential to transform the look of every vehicle on the road.

President of Toyota GB, Matt Harrison, said: “Full details of the RND Concept will be announced next week, but ahead of the official unveiling I can say that this is something we are proud of and that will make a valuable contribution to the world we live in.”

ImBatman 01-21-2015 10:10 AM

pins and needles...

DantKR 01-21-2015 10:28 AM

Watch it be something electric. Or FWD. Or Hybrid.

gymratter 01-21-2015 10:35 AM

maybe it will be the sub 86 car?

Shark_Bait88 01-21-2015 11:12 AM

Fingers crossed for a Celica AllTrac revival!

(I know it's not happening, but let me live in my dreamland for a little while...)

MokSpeed 01-21-2015 11:13 AM

Probably a hybrid or electric. From the market's standpoint, I don't think a sports car can really "make a valuable contribution to the world we live in".

GreenMonster 01-21-2015 11:30 AM

rwd kei car for usdm?

Braces 01-21-2015 11:36 AM

This may be the car that slots in UNDER the FR-S that Tada mentioned. Of course ... it's all speculation.

Sideways&Smiling 01-21-2015 11:41 AM

Looks like it might be this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.25

:(

gymratter 01-21-2015 11:43 AM

i wouldnt mind an electric sports car :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...se_display.jpg

gymratter 01-21-2015 11:51 AM

Maybe it has something to do with Tesla?

Toyota teases mysterious RND Concept

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Toyota is being very secretive about its newly teased RND Concept. The image above is all that the Japanese automaker is showing at the moment, and it's not much to go by. However, the wait to find out won't be very long, as the automaker is unveiling this very mysterious vehicle on January 26 in the UK.

Making the RND even more intriguing is that this isn't just a concept pointing the way towards some nebulous future vehicle. Toyota claims that the model is production ready, and the automaker already has pricing, supply and manufacturing space prepared.

We likely shouldn't expect a super luxury sedan or sports coupe, though, because Toyota says that the RND is meant for "the widest possible market." Could it possibly be some sort of inexpensive, electric vehicle like the Renault Twizy, then?

With just the hind of a taillight, a slash of chrome and what might be an intake, there's not much styling work to go on here. Although, Toyota is making huge promises about the design; it claims the RND "has the potential to transform the look of every vehicle on the road."

It's odd to see an automaker other than Tesla reveal a new vehicle outside of a major world auto show, which piques our interest about what Toyota is doing here. Read the company's press release below and let us know what you think the Japanese automaker is up to in Comments.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/21/t...s-rnd-concept/

Elon Musk: The new Tesla Roadster can travel some 400 miles on a single charge

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Car nerds, you just got an extra present under the tree.

Tesla announced Friday an upgrade for its Roadster, the electric car company’s convertible model, and said that the new features significantly boost its range -- beyond what many traditional cars can get on a tank of gasoline.

The company is installing three retrofits for the vehicle. First up is a battery upgrade that marks a 31 percent increase in capacity. Next is an “aero kit” that’ll alter the car’s profile slightly, producing a 15 percent reduction in wind drag. Finally, the Roadster will be getting new, more efficient tires.

The result is an electric vehicle that can reliably travel about 350 miles before needing a recharge, and possibly more in ideal conditions. That’s pretty similar — or even better — than many conventional gasoline-powered cars. The University of Michigan estimates that the average fuel economy of a new car in 2014 was about 25 miles per gallon. With a 12- or 13-gallon tank, that gets you about 325 miles on a single fill-up.

“There is a set of speeds and driving conditions,” Tesla said in a blog post, “where we can confidently drive the Roadster 3.0 over 400 miles."

The old Roadster could travel up to 244 miles on a single charge, according to the company. That makes the new Roadster's 400-mile range a nearly 2x improvement.

With the Roadster's starting price still hovering at over $100,000, most of us won't be reaping the benefits of this technology upgrade anytime soon. But, said company founder Elon Musk, expect it to arrive eventually in the Model S.

“It obviously *will* happen long-term,” he tweeted.

The announcement came amid predictions of a rough road ahead for the company. Morgan Stanley’s Adam Jonas, who has been an advocate for the company as its stock price has soared, wrote in a note to investors earlier this month that Tesla’s prospects will be seriously impacted by lower gasoline prices.

Jonas predicted Tesla will only be able to sell 300,000 vehicles by the end of the decade rather than the half million that he originally forecast. He added that the low price of oil won’t immediately effect Tesla’s current customers, who generally wealthy and pay less attention to gas prices. But as the company tries to sell cars to a broader base, fewer consumers may opt for electric cars.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...single-charge/

Tesla Signals It May Work With Toyota Again on Vehicle

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Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA)’s Elon Musk said the electric-car maker may form another partnership with Toyota Motor Corp. (7203), as the companies conclude an initial vehicle project that met with mixed results.

“If you look out maybe two or three years from now, I would not be surprised if there was a significant deal with Toyota and Tesla,” Musk, Tesla’s chief executive officer, told reporters yesterday in Tokyo. While Tesla and Toyota have no definitive plans, Musk said he envisioned a larger project than their deal for the RAV4 electric vehicle.

The comments come as the two carmakers wind down sales of the jointly developed RAV4 EV after delivering only about 2,000 units since it went on sale two years ago. Since that project, both companies have taken separate paths, with Toyota now preparing to sell its first fuel-cell vehicle, a technology Musk has ridiculed.

Toyota has no comment on Musk’s remarks, said Ryo Sakai, a spokesman for the Toyota City, Japan-based automaker.

Toyota shares rose 0.3 percent to close at 6,127 yen in Tokyo, while Japan’s Topix Index climbed 0.1 percent.

Tesla plans to build the world’s biggest lithium-ion battery plant to cut the cost of the cells used to power its electric vehicles. Such a facility would provide an opportunity to supply other manufacturers as sales of its own vehicles ramp up, Barclays Plc equity analyst Brian Johnson said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...n-vehicle.html

Tt3Sheppard 01-21-2015 12:02 PM

Either that or the 3 wheel vehicle concept.

DAEMANO 01-21-2015 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braces (Post 2099371)
This may be the car that slots in UNDER the FR-S that Tada mentioned. Of course ... it's all speculation.



Its this.

Sideways&Smiling 01-21-2015 12:16 PM

I'm almost positive it's going to be a production version of the T25 or T27 now. The design was sold to a large manufacturer. It could easily be Toyota.

I MIGHT actually be interested if they did two things:

1. Transform the design to not be ugly as fuck like the T25/T27.

2. Not limit it to 65mph like the T25/T27.

The general idea of it, a tiny, light, single-seater with central driving position and instrument panel could be very cool..... but only if it's pulled off in a way that isn't reminiscent of a smart car.

But yeah, this thing was designed in the UK, it's being unveiled next week in the UK, and the screenshot even looks to have the same sort of taillights... Seems to be what it is.

CAMBAM_6 01-21-2015 12:20 PM

"fun to drive" as in sports car or golf cart? because the T25 looks like nothing but a street legal golf cart smh

Defuser 01-21-2015 12:29 PM

Mr. Bean will love it!

http://www.rigsofrods.com/attachment...7&d=1342819214

extrashaky 01-21-2015 12:43 PM

I don't think it's that golf cart. I think it's something based on the TES concept:

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/3...4/_MG_0380.JPG

Note the round tail light hint in the OP's link:

http://cdn1.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/file...concept1_1.jpg

Could be evolved from this:

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/3...4/_MG_0383.JPG

The concept was a little ugly. Let's see if they fixed that.

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/3...4/_MG_0381.JPG

Sideways&Smiling 01-21-2015 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2099469)
I don't think it's that golf cart. I think it's something based on the TES concept:

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/3...4/_MG_0380.JPG

Note the round tail light hint in the OP's link:

http://cdn1.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/file...concept1_1.jpg

Could be evolved from this:

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/3...4/_MG_0383.JPG

The concept was a little ugly. Let's see if they fixed that.

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/3...4/_MG_0381.JPG


http://cdn1.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/file...concept1_1.jpg

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...70xkq9kcxg.jpg

Also, think about the rest of the things they're saying... radically different... making a contribution to the world... being unveiled in the UK (obviously has some significance), etc.

Sideways&Smiling 01-21-2015 12:59 PM

The T25 is even mentioned in this article about it:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...th-rnd-concept

extrashaky 01-21-2015 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2099485)
Also, think about the rest of the things they're saying... radically different... making a contribution to the world... being unveiled in the UK (obviously has some significance), etc.

Yeah, but they also said "fun-to-drive," not "totally-stupid-looking-deathtrap."

As for "radically different," that golf cart isn't and hasn't been for a long time. The Smart long since filled that niche in the mainstream, and there were others before it that didn't even do as well as Smart.

I can hold out hope that they still have some sense.

Tcoat 01-21-2015 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2099512)
Yeah, but they also said "fun-to-drive," not "totally-stupid-looking-deathtrap."

As for "radically different," that golf cart isn't and hasn't been for a long time. The Smart long since filled that niche in the mainstream, and there were others before it that didn't even do as well as Smart.

I can hold out hope that they still have some sense.

Unfortunately not everybody's definition of "fun to drive" is the same as ours!
A good part of the Smart Car's initial marketing was based on how "fun to drive" it was going to be.
Drove one once and not only was it not "fun" but I was scared to death half the trip.

daiheadjai 01-21-2015 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gymratter (Post 2099376)
i wouldnt mind an electric sports car :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...se_display.jpg

That would come as quite a shock.

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Chupacabra 01-21-2015 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by daiheadjai (Post 2099545)
That would come as quite a shock.

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http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a0/a022...3fed9344a9.jpg

extrashaky 01-21-2015 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2099535)
Unfortunately not everybody's definition of "fun to drive" is the same as ours!
A good part of the Smart Car's initial marketing was based on how "fun to drive" it was going to be.
Drove one once and not only was it not "fun" but I was scared to death half the trip.

Well, what definitions are there?

I think most of us here would consider a car that handles like a mofo to be fun to drive.

Probably the majority of the US population would consider a car with straight line power fun to drive.

Then you have the off-roaders who consider a truck that can tackle any terrain fun to drive.

I don't think I've heard many people say they enjoyed driving a golf cart. I guess Prius owners have fun hypermiling, but that's because they enjoy being assholes and pissing off everyone else while they smugly teach us all a lesson about environmental responsibility, not because the car is actually fun to drive.

I'm having a hard time believing that T25 handles well enough to satisfy us, has enough power to satisfy the straightliners or has any other attributes that would actually make it fun to drive. If Toyota thinks that thing is fun, they haven't learned anything at all from the 86.

Levi 01-21-2015 01:51 PM

Hope it won't turn out into something like a 420 PS Yaris Hybrid-R disappointment.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...3_2661320b.jpg

Tcoat 01-21-2015 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2099578)
Well, what definitions are there?

I think most of us here would consider a car that handles like a mofo to be fun to drive.

Probably the majority of the US population would consider a car with straight line power fun to drive.

Then you have the off-roaders who consider a truck that can tackle any terrain fun to drive.

I don't think I've heard many people say they enjoyed driving a golf cart. I guess Prius owners have fun hypermiling, but that's because they enjoy being assholes and pissing off everyone else while they smugly teach us all a lesson about environmental responsibility, not because the car is actually fun to drive.

I'm having a hard time believing that T25 handles well enough to satisfy us, has enough power to satisfy the straightliners or has any other attributes that would actually make it fun to drive. If Toyota thinks that thing is fun, they haven't learned anything at all from the 86.

Oh you are preaching to the choir on that!
I can not possibly define what is fun about them for you as I did not prepare their marketing plan.
From my experience driving it the only way I could call it "fun" was in the whole roller coaster "OH my god I am going to die" kind of way!

Dadhawk 01-21-2015 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2099469)
...
The concept was a little ugly. Let's see if they fixed that.

I think we have a nomination for understatement of the year right there...

Defuser 01-21-2015 05:38 PM

Just had to leave this here.

http://www.vwcamperblog.com/wp-conte...w-ball-bus.jpg

Decay107 01-21-2015 06:30 PM

In my opinion, "change the face of motoring" sounds far too broad reaching to apply to a small subset of enthusiasts. Smart money is on the T25, and that it doesn't come to the US.

Decay107 01-21-2015 07:05 PM

It's going to be Gordon Murray's T.25

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hallenge_1.jpg

dem00n 01-21-2015 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 2099593)
Hope it won't turn out into something like a 420 PS Yaris Hybrid-R disappointment.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...3_2661320b.jpg

Name me 5 performance hybrids that are under $100K.

GO!

Decay107 01-21-2015 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 2100159)
Name me 5 performance hybrids that are under $100K.

GO!

Well, the Prius has a "POWER" mode, does that count? :D

A BRZ with Phantom ESC

An FR-S with Phantom ESC

A GT86 with Phantom ESC

Honda CR-zzzzzzzz

Dadhawk 01-21-2015 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decay107 (Post 2100080)
... "change the face of motoring" ....



Isn't that what they said about the Segway?


Anytime I hear hyperbole like that, I know we are headed for disappointment....

gymratter 01-21-2015 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decay107 (Post 2100200)
Well, the Prius has a "POWER" mode, does that count? :D

A BRZ with Phantom ESC

An FR-S with Phantom ESC

A GT86 with Phantom ESC

Honda CR-gay

fixed :p

gymratter 01-21-2015 10:34 PM

opps, didnt see this thread. merge thread mods?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2100442

gymratter 01-21-2015 10:35 PM

my question is how does EVO know this will be 86 base? sounds like they're just pulling crap out of their @ss.

Sideways&Smiling 01-21-2015 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gymratter (Post 2100445)
my question is how does EVO know this will be 86 base? sounds like they're just pulling crap out of their @ss.

It depends on how you interpret "build on GT86"...

Slighlty misleading, as some will take that to mean this new car will be based on the same platform, when in reality that phrase is probably only meaning "build on the hype/sucess of releasing a fun, affordable car (the GT86) with another fun, affordable car"...

That's what I'm betting it means, anyway, since pretty much nowhere else said anything about Toyota building on the GT86 in relation to this RND concept.

ducky369 01-22-2015 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 2100159)
Name me 5 performance hybrids that are under $100K.

GO!


Here I go!

Hybrid vehicle - a vehicle that uses two or more distinct power source to move and operate the vehicle.

Mustang ecoboost ($30k)
Fisker karma(403hp 959lb-ft of torque, $96k)
Panamera S E-hybrid ($96k)
Benz 2015 E400 ($57k)
Any of the BMW 3,5,7 hybrid are under 100k

All of the above are over 300hp hybrids, that's more than 5


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