Anyone with a BRZ get brake-checked tonight?
 

Just gonna post his here for anyone that knows a BRZ that may have gotten hit-and run.

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I don't care how slow you're driving or anything, brake-checking someone is pretty bad, but having them hit your car and just leaving is fucked up.

you know what's great though, is posting online with your name and details of how you overtly violated the law by causing an accident and leaving the scene. I'm sure karma will catch up with him sooner or later... :paddle:

Good catch, HachiRo. Hope they find this idiot.

Sorry but at least in MY state if you rear end someone for any reason, it is the person doing the rear-ending that is at fault.

As far as the cops are concerned, if you are following so close you cannot absorb a "brake check" then YOU are at fault.

And if I am driving on the highway and someone tailgates me when I have nowhere else to go (following the next person at legal gap), I will give bigger & bigger brake checks until they get the message.

AND if they try to go around me on the right (and I am following at legal distance), I wont let them in front of me.

Yeah, the ass rider is the one at fault in my part of the world too.
Serve the wanker right, hope the clown learn to drive better on public roads or lose his license altogether.

The tailgater is the one at fault since he/she is the one who controls the distance to the vehicle in front. As the driver behind, you have the responsibility of maintaining a safe distance to slow or stop to prevent a collision. Even if the driver in front didn't intentionally brake-check the driver behind, there may have been a legitimate reason he/she had to apply the brakes abruptly, and the result would have been the same (sans leaving the scene).

You do always end up being responsible for rear-ending in my state too BUT there are many legal provisions that do void that kind of presumption if the other person intentionally attempts to cause an accident. Also, leaving the scene of an accident that isn't your fault is still a crime. In fact, if the person who hit you is injured in any way, in many places that becomes a felony.

So both people are idiots.

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yes ^^ what he said.

Brake checking someone while not explicitly legal, is still a d*ck thing to do most of the time. That's fine if that's how you want to act. And if you don't mind being rear ended when you take that kind of chance. Totally your call. Most of us have better things to do than unexpectedly be involved in an accident (that you contributed to) and stop whatever you're doing to pull over and make sure no one is hurt, check for damage, exchange info etc. Which is what is required by the law. So that second part, where yeah you ignore the laws and leave the scene of an accident you were involved in, that is where it goes wrong.

22109. No person shall stop or suddenly decrease the speed of a vehicle on a highway without first giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided in this chapter to the driver of any vehicle immediately to the rear when there is opportunity to give the signal.
22400. (a) ...No person shall bring a vehicle to a complete stop upon a highway so as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic unless the stop is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

So what is the "manner provided in this chapter"? Maybe brake lights?

And whay have laws that are unenforceable

I cannot see EVER charging someone with this crime.
If someone comes to a stop on the freeway, they can do it "for any reason whatsoever" and still comply with that law.
You would have to be a complete idiot to not be able to come up with an excuse that qualifies for "safe operation".
I'm sorry sir, but a bug flew in my eye, there was a bee in the car, and I am allergic, I was eating some hot cheetos, rubbed my eyes, and they started burning, A squirrel ran in front of me, I heard tires screeching... maybe it came from the radio, I felt faint and decided to stop the vehicle, A spider crawled across my face, I thought I was going to throw up....

I'm with yah on the brake lights.

Those are all reasonable reasons to stop your car. They are not reasonable reasons to stop your car on the highway to obstruct traffic.
All of those reasons do not give excuse to stop your car in the middle of a highway.

They absolutely DO give you reason to stop your car on the highway (although NOT JUST to obstruct traffic)

Are you saying that someone who just got chili powder in their eye should not stop the vehicle immediately?
I have actually done this before, and I was BARELY able to find the shoulder before coming to a stop.
And my point was - anything can make someone panic.
Panic alone is justification enough to stop the car.

I even teach my kids that "if in doubt stop the vehicle".
"I didnt want to stop" should never be an excuse for being in an accident.

So I also teach my kids to not tailgate, convincing my wife is a different matter altogether....

Both parties in the wrong, one for following too closely, the other technically for a hit and run, as well as being a royal asshole.

I tend to try and not come within at least one car length of people when I drive on the highway, especially in the Toronto area as drivers there are notoriously aggressive drivers and brake check quite often.

When I feel someone is following too closely behind me, I give a light tap on the brakes just to let them know I think they're too close, then move over to the right as quickly as possible when it's safe to do so to let them get by.

If in doubt stop the vehicle is not a good idea.

If in doubt, pull over. Yes. Not stop. You want to know why? You are in the way of other drivers.

this is what can happen for stopping on a freeway.
http://time.com/3640529/emma-czornob...canada-driver/

A similar situation actually happened to me once a few years back. I was driving across the Dumbarton Bridge, towards Palo Alto. Going about 60-70mph. At the shoreline section just before University Ave the car in front of me suddenly stopped hard. I was able to stop in time as well and other cars around me also stopped. Up ahead suddenly appeared a woman, frantically running across the highway chasing a small group of little ducklings. She had pulled off to the side but was out in the 3 or 4 lane highway trying to shoo the ducks across. That was my WTF moment for the day, glad no one was hurt (including the ducklings) but that was a potentially very dangerous situation.

ANYONE who comes to a complete stop in the middle of the road with no traffic in front of them or any obvious road obstructions is a fucking idiot.

All the people stopped in this video would be charged with this crime + being idiots:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRTiOZji6g"]Taking Over Freeway: Cars doing donuts ON FREEWAY (OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA) ORIGINAL VIDEO - YouTube[/ame]

-alex

Guys doing donuts in the middle of the freeway, clearly idiots.

People stopped because of people doing donuts in the freeway?
It was obvious that it was not safe to proceed.

But you know exactly what people are talking about, just being argumentative i guess.

I'm talking about the people that stopped to get out of cars and film, including the cameraman in the video I posted.

That's what I was referencing when replying to Stugray's comment on whether this can be charged as a crime or not.

-alex

Don't tailgate people. Go around them. This incident could have been avoided by not tailgating.

Don't stop on a freeway. That's just fucking stupid. Put your hazards on, slow down and pull over. Your kid is going to end up in a worse situation stopping in the middle of 70mph+ traffic than if (s)he had just pulled over. Who the fuck tells their kid to do this?

How do you stop them from getting in front of you and remain at legal following distance?

Stopping in the middle of the road is extremely dangerous if traffic is still moving. the safe thing to do is to turn on your hazards and pull off of the road. as @garfull posted earlier stopping in the road can potentially cause a serious accident.

Also it is 100% illegal in California to leave from a traffic accident.

20002. (a) The driver of any vehicle involved in an accident
resulting only in damage to any property, including vehicles, shall
immediately stop the vehicle at the nearest location that will not
impede traffic or otherwise jeopardize the safety of other motorists.
Moving the vehicle in accordance with this subdivision does not
affect the question of fault. The driver shall also immediately do
either of the following:
(1) Locate and notify the owner or person in charge of that
property of the name and address of the driver and owner of the
vehicle involved and, upon locating the driver of any other vehicle
involved or the owner or person in charge of any damaged property,
upon being requested, present his or her driver's license, and
vehicle registration, to the other driver, property owner, or person
in charge of that property. The information presented shall include
the current residence address of the driver and of the registered
owner. If the registered owner of an involved vehicle is present at
the scene, he or she shall also, upon request, present his or her
driver's license information, if available, or other valid
identification to the other involved parties.

Thanks for the tips.
However both of you can settle down.
I am NOT condoning Just stopping in the middle of the freeway.
This is a perfect example of taking things out of context.

The whole discussion is about who is at fault in a rear end collision.

I was merely pointing out many reasons WHY people might just stop on a freeway (good reason or not) and that we need to be ready for it at any time.

It is just a fact of driving on the freeway that you might have to come to an instantaneous stop for whatever reason, and there is no "Law" that you can be charged for for doing it.
EXCEPT - in the rare cases where you do something fucking stupid like shut down traffic for dragracing, donuts, or just trying to cause an accident.

But if something happens like a freaking boulder drops on the road in front of you (happens here often), you dont hesitate and think "Hmm I wonder if I will inconvenience someone by stopping right now, perhaps I should signal and see if I can perhaps maneuver around it without disrupting traffic too much"
YOU JUST FUCKING STOP!

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Plot twist. Road raging meat head speeds past you on the right. Cuts you off and slams on the brakes before you have time to react or even alter your following distance. Who's at fault now?

Agree with the bolder thing but both these are completely different reasons...first quote are all valid reasons to safely pull over, not come to a sudden stop. I believe the OP talks about brake checking, which is a sudden stop.

And also, coming from California, most rear enders are at fault. BUT in the case of this dumbass, he posted it on social media admitting he stopped to brake check the BRZ, violating 22109. Slim chance the BRZ owner can win this if he finds this thread, decides to fight it, and can identify the guys car. Slim is still better than no chance if the dumbass didn't admit it.


Also...why ever brake check anyone? If someone tailgates me, I just stop accelerating until they get the message, which anyone tailgating usually gets as soon as they have to brake(not from sudden braking, but from deceleration). This completely avoids sudden stops and good chance of avoiding a rear end. You want to send the message, not get hit.

And if not his license plate on his white pos dodge truck is 6U33242.... [Ferrari] FxxK this guy! Also note the picture location. Bet that is where his insurance company is. :D

All of your statements to this point have been condoning stopping in the middle of the freeway as seen above. Yet below you say you don't condone it.......

I agree with you about stopping for a bolder or any hazard in the road but the problem with your example here is that you as the driver stopping your vehicle in an emergency of this sort isn't the real danger. the bolder in this example is. My point is that if you don't stop before the bolder and you hit it you will likely cause more of a road hazard than if you try to make an emergency stop.

Next line up. I agree that you will have to come to an abrupt stop on a freeway at some point. I just happens and most all Californians are aware of that. You learn this very quickly in any large metropolitan area in California.

All of the reasons you posted before the bolder example are good reasons to stop the car on the side of the road. Not in the middle of it.

last but not least the whole discussion is weather the guy that break checked the tailgater had the right to leave the accident. Everyone who knows anything about an auto insurance policy knows that the guy tailgating is in the wrong to start with.

In the state of California it is ILLEGAL to purposely make an action with a vehicle that would cause an accident. But again the tailgater is still wrong. It was also wrong and ILLEGAL the guy left the scene of the accident he was involved in without stopping talking to the owner of the other vehicle involved.

Looks like he totalled his piece of shit jetta a couple days ago haha

Do not wait until they go around you because passing is to be done on the left. If you do not have a lane to the left and you are not passing a vehicle, you are in the wrong lane.

The Ontario drivers handbook says to increase the distance in front of you when tailgated. Brake checking is a spiteful exaggeration of that, and certainly makes you a bigger asshole.

Slowing down or brake checking, just like flashing you're lights or tailgating, are both done to send the message.

None of the "messages" are even necessary, unless someone feels that they "belong" in the left lane.
Ideally, person in front sees car approaching and moves over, passer passes and moves over.

Unless you are in the left lane wanting to pass, but the people in front of you are going slow.

So what is the proper lane configuration in bumper to bumper traffic?
That's right BOTH lanes are full.

In bumper to bumper traffic, I try to be understanding. Traffic as a whole will flow faster if all lanes are used and as little lane switching is done by everyone on the road, collectively.

IMHO, if you are wanting to pass, it is the fault of the person in front of you, or the person in the front of the line.

I don't get brake checked when I drive. It's ALWAYS the hater truck drivers on the freeways who purposely swerve to the shoulder to kick up rocks and debris when I'm driving behind them.

I never understood this "brake check" thing people do, I'm in Australia and I've never seen it done. Is this just a US thing?

Tailgaters annoy me, but I just think they are idiots that don't know how to drive safely, it's never crossed my mind to try and cause an accident by "brake checking" them, that just sounds idiotic.

"Oh, look at this guy traveling too close behind me, he obviously is driving unsafely. I know what to do, I'll create a situation that will increase the chance of him running into the back of me, then we can spend 15 minutes exchanging insurance information and arguing, possibly resulting is a physical fight, then later I can be without my car for a week or two while it is repaired. Hahaha, that will teach him..."

To me it just seems like a macho guy thing, not too sure why, it just does (I am a male BTW). In the past, if I did want to do something about a tailgater, I gradually slowed down.

I realise that it's kind of pointless now and don't do anything. If they want to follow close, that's their problem, not mine. I do however leave at least a two second gap in front of me so any emergency braking I do can be modulated to perhaps prevent that tailgater from hitting me.

Doesn't work in a traffic jam but at highway speeds, if you use your windshield washer it sprays the car behind you.

That's kinda fun.

Some people are making the incorrect assumption that this is always meant to cause an accident.

The term came about because to check one's brakes before starting out on a long journey, one would perform a "brake check" by stabbing the brakes to make sure they are capable of locking up.

When I talk about it, it is merely applying the brakes enough to make the brake lights come on.
This is to "remind" the person following that they had better be prepared to stop.
MANY times people tailgate because they are not paying enough attention and need a quick reminder that they are ,in fact, behind the wheel of a vehicle.

The law states that there shall be one car length per 10 MPH of speed.
Therefore at highway speeds 55 MPH, there should be at least 5 car lengths or 50 feet.

So when someone is behind me at 55 MPH so closely that I cannot see their headlights (because they are below my rear hood) , they get a "brake check".
If they still dont get the message, I will just lift the throttle and start coasting for a bit.
That usually works and they back off.

I never just Lock the brakes hoping someone rear-ends me.:bonk:

That's the law? That sounds very close, I think most cars are longer that 10 feet, more like 4m (12ft), so that makes it a little over 1 second gap.

Well it better be a damn good reason you CAN be charged for criminal negligence if you stop on a highway for what you perceive as a emergency
is not actually a emergency and it leads to fatality. Check out this Canadian lady that was given life for stopping on a highway to help ducks.

http://rt.com/news/167644-canada-duc...rist-sentence/

Where did you get this info? I just looked up the "Model Traffic Code for Colorado" the state you live in if your info on the left is correct. I could not find this law you speak of. However I have heard this used as a training tool for young drivers to teach them to leave ample space between them and the car ahead. A good rule to go by might I add but not the law.

1008. Following too closely.
(1) The driver of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable
and prudent, having due regard for the speed of such vehicles and the traffic upon and the condition of the
highway.

https://www.codot.gov/library/traffi...l-traffic-code

Please don't give false information.