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FirestormFRS 12-17-2014 07:30 PM

Skunk2 Header?
 
Anyone have one?

Anyone have dynos?

Anyone have sound clips?

DAEMANO 12-17-2014 07:35 PM

A user ( @fz6r ) review of it on the @fteightysix blog here:
blog.fteightysix.com/skunk2-alpha-header-review/

KraftWerks 12-17-2014 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2059985)
A user ( @fz6r ) review of it on the @fteightysix blog here:
blog.fteightysix.com/skunk2-alpha-header-review/

Was just about the post that very same link.
Good 3rd party information.

Nice sound clips too!

86SPEED 12-17-2014 09:47 PM

Guys here is a Direct link to the review -

Also - We have Spoke to Skunk2/Kraftwerks All the new headers are Cleaned up on the inside -

http://blog.fteightysix.com/skunk2-alpha-header-review/

http://blog.fteightysix.com/wp-conte...60346146_n.jpg

Turdinator 12-17-2014 10:05 PM

Are there any dynos after a tune?

CajunFRS 12-19-2014 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fteightysix (Post 2060202)
Guys here is a Direct link to the review -

Also - We have Spoke to Skunk2/Kraftwerks All the new headers are Cleaned up on the inside -

http://blog.fteightysix.com/skunk2-alpha-header-review/

http://blog.fteightysix.com/wp-conte...60346146_n.jpg


I know this is a bit off topic. You aren't affiliates with 86_zn6 by any chance?

Julio86 12-19-2014 01:33 PM

Skunk2 Header?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Turdinator (Post 2060225)
Are there any dynos after a tune?


This...

anyone dyno'd yet?


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86SPEED 12-19-2014 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CajunFRS (Post 2062250)
I know this is a bit off topic. You aren't affiliates with 86_zn6 by any chance?

No we are not:iono:

86SPEED 12-19-2014 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio86 (Post 2062401)
This...

anyone dyno'd yet?


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Not that we know of at this time. They just dropped last week, we have 3-4 sets installed here. 3 that i know of, 1 that has been picked up, we have one installed on the shops 10 series. We have not put the shop car on a dyno, maybe i can talk Malen into getting the car stock, getting a base line off Church's DynaPacks then with the Skunk2 intake, then with the header.. And we would at least have a baseline from there on out to compare parts, of course the heat would play a big role here as its a great 65 or so now and when it hit 110-115's it would make a difference.. I can say after week with the header on no CEL yet, No exhaust leaks, The car is performing great with the Skunk2 intake, header, and MXP Catback

-Thomas

Julio86 12-19-2014 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fteightysix (Post 2062523)
Not that we know of at this time. They just dropped last week, we have 3-4 sets installed here. 3 that i know of, 1 that has been picked up, we have one installed on the shops 10 series. We have not put the shop car on a dyno, maybe i can talk Malen into getting the car stock, getting a base line off Church's DynaPacks then with the Skunk2 intake, then with the header.. And we would at least have a baseline from there on out to compare parts, of course the heat would play a big role here as its a great 65 or so now and when it hit 110-115's it would make a difference.. I can say after week with the header on no CEL yet, No exhaust leaks, The car is performing great with the Skunk2 intake, header, and MXP Catback



-Thomas


Sounds like a plan. Would be great to have those three dynos to compare. Any chance on high flow catted version?


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DAEMANO 12-19-2014 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fteightysix (Post 2062523)
Not that we know of at this time. They just dropped last week, we have 3-4 sets installed here. 3 that i know of, 1 that has been picked up, we have one installed on the shops 10 series. We have not put the shop car on a dyno, maybe i can talk Malen into getting the car stock, getting a base line off Church's DynaPacks then with the Skunk2 intake, then with the header.. And we would at least have a baseline from there on out to compare parts, of course the heat would play a big role here as its a great 65 or so now and when it hit 110-115's it would make a difference.. I can say after week with the header on no CEL yet, No exhaust leaks, The car is performing great with the Skunk2 intake, header, and MXP Catback

-Thomas

Thomas, how would you compare this Skunk2 to the MXP?

86SPEED 12-19-2014 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2062622)
Thomas, how would you compare this Skunk2 to the MXP?

Oh man.. thats a hard question..

For the price point the Skunk2 is a great header, the first 20 that went out, needed a little bit of finishing work, but they are correcting that now and its fixed from here on out. BUT again the price point is good and for a EL it sounds great.

My MXP UEL.. i love it, id pick it over any other UEL, EXCEPT the JDL, i mean you get a over pipe with it, looks amazing and sounds amazing.

The MXP EL vs the Skunk2.............. that would be hard, they are both great headers, i wouldnt be upset with either on my car. IF you was going for the over pipe in the future then its a no brainer to grab the MXP, if getting a over pipe isn't in the plans, then getting the Skunk2 is the best option.


-Thomas

DAEMANO 12-19-2014 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fteightysix (Post 2062631)
Oh man.. thats a hard question..

For the price point the Skunk2 is a great header, the first 20 that went out, needed a little bit of finishing work, but they are correcting that now and its fixed from here on out. BUT again the price point is good and for a EL it sounds great.

My MXP UEL.. i love it, id pick it over any other UEL, EXCEPT the JDL, i mean you get a over pipe with it, looks amazing and sounds amazing.

The MXP EL vs the Skunk2.............. that would be hard, they are both great headers, i wouldnt be upset with either on my car. IF you was going for the over pipe in the future then its a no brainer to grab the MXP, if getting a over pipe isn't in the plans, then getting the Skunk2 is the best option.
-Thomas

That's exactly what I was looking for. Will probably roll with the MXP and will get it from you. Can't resist the value of the overpipe and of course that UEL rumble.

Thanks man!

FirestormFRS 12-19-2014 08:29 PM

I'm gonna Skunk it up and see how it goes....stay tuned!

xDanger_208x 12-19-2014 10:47 PM

I just bought a Tomei UEL but these are looking awfully tempting.
I'm curious if the top end difference will be substantial with my Kraftwerks setup over the uel design??...

jay1989 12-19-2014 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xDanger_208x (Post 2062989)
I just bought a Tomei UEL but these are looking awfully tempting.
I'm curious if the top end difference will be substantial with my Kraftwerks setup over the uel design??...

For the price those aren't bad at all, would be interesting to see they Dyno's on them compared to other "much more expensive" headers that are out there right now

fz6r 12-20-2014 01:35 AM

I love mine. At first I was indifferent on the sound, but I love it now. I haven't dyno'd at all because I'm going flex fuel pretty soon.

johan 12-20-2014 06:45 PM

This is dyno tuned on ECUTek with a Skunk2 Intake vs dyno tuned with a Skunk2 Intake and Skunk2 Alpha header. Car is otherwise stock.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...31816914_o.png

tyrantcf 12-20-2014 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johan (Post 2063597)
This is dyno tuned on ECUTek with a Skunk2 Intake vs dyno tuned with a Skunk2 Intake and Skunk2 Alpha header. Car is otherwise stock.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...31816914_o.png

That is damn impressive for the price, thank you for this

KraftWerks 12-22-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johan (Post 2063597)
This is dyno tuned on ECUTek with a Skunk2 Intake vs dyno tuned with a Skunk2 Intake and Skunk2 Alpha header. Car is otherwise stock.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...31816914_o.png

Was just coming to post this! Thank you @johan !

Vit is going to be switching back to E85 to see if he can't get 190+ out of the motor.

sachu 01-19-2015 11:17 PM

Anyone else running this header? Dyno results to share??

Sound clips?

Hyper4mance2k 01-20-2015 03:32 PM

I have one; I love it.

I'm running the stock tune, and the car obviously loves the header. It pulls much faster through the revrange than with the stock header. I did back to back vidoes of 0-60 & 30-70 pulls, and the car was repeatabily half second faster with the header. Unfortunately my phone bricked before I could upload them.

The collector is far from perfect, but it's a vast improvement over the lack of merge collectors in the stock manifold.
It's equal length, but the heads on our cars are not equal elngth which still gives the car a unique sound. It doesn't sound like a Honda, as so many other people say ELs sound like. It is really raspy with my exhasut, but that's a combination of the huge overlap and high compression our engines have, plus my resonator has blown out and is in need of replacement.

My exhaust does not drone, but drone is more based on the wall thicnkess used on your exhaust, and effective resonators.
I don't have any clips, as I'm waiting to install my overpipe and replace my blown out resonator before I film another video. I haven't dyno'd the car as there's no point IMHO unless I'm doing back to back tuning. My bolt on parts are more for the illusion of performance.

All in all I am extremely impressed with the header, especially at this price point. It sounds great, pulls hard, and looks pretty. The only issue I have had was with one runner which started hitting the drip-pan(under-tray), but a small dent made enough room for clearance. I'd rather not have done that, but I got my header used and it was supposedly a prototype.

sachu 01-29-2015 01:33 PM

sounds good. got my skunk2 header installed last night.

Not entirely sure i like the sound..at certain RPM ranges i like it a lot and at others (mostly the 1.5k-3k range) i am undecided.

I changed out the front and over pipe with the nameless high flo fp-op combo pipe as well.

So far no CEL. The header seemed to clear the belly pan with about 10mm of clearance. Keeping an ear out for any noise from that area though. The hardware and gaskets were a bonus.

Custom dyno tune incoming this saturday.

Mine is a 2015- FR-S by the way.

http://i.imgur.com/sOgOlbo.jpg

Teseo 01-29-2015 06:10 PM

Its uel?

sachu 01-29-2015 06:23 PM

nope. Equal length

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LShrN3wBbRw"]Knowledge Base: BRZ/FRS Alpha Header - YouTube[/ame]

sachu 02-02-2015 03:44 PM

here's a before and after dyno of my car with the skunk2 header. BRZEdit tune

http://i.imgur.com/15oxicI.jpg

Turdinator 02-02-2015 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sachu (Post 2115219)
here's a before and after dyno of my car with the skunk2 header. BRZEdit tune

http://i.imgur.com/15oxicI.jpg

Who tuned it? Did they alter the cam angles?

sachu 02-03-2015 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turdinator (Post 2115770)
Who tuned it? Did they alter the cam angles?

VIP Performance.

Yeah they did. Why?

steve99 02-03-2015 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sachu (Post 2116054)
VIP Performance.

Yeah they did. Why?

was the before dyno run stock tune ? as it seems pretty high for a stock car on stock tune usually they are around 170-175 stock

although looking at the afr and the torque curve it look like stock tune.

what would concern me is that your torque curve and power gain over stock is pretty low considering you added header custom dyno tune and front pipe overpipe combo.

either the dyno was set up optimisticly for the stock run and then correctly for modded run or something.

the modded run power seems pretty ok, but the gain over stock for those mods is low, something seems off, torque dip gains seem low as well.

sachu 02-03-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2116111)
was the before dyno run stock tune ? as it seems pretty high for a stock car on stock tune usually they are around 170-175 stock

although looking at the afr and the torque curve it look like stock tune.

what would concern me is that your torque curve and power gain over stock is pretty low considering you added header custom dyno tune and front pipe overpipe combo.

either the dyno was set up optimisticly for the stock run and then correctly for modded run or something.

the modded run power seems pretty ok, but the gain over stock for those mods is low, something seems off, torque dip gains seem low as well.




Hi,

Yeah, That was the first run before tuning to get a baseline.

Here's the full stock baseline run from a couple weeks ago. Very similar conditions, just not as humid on the day of the custom tune.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1420947150

I would agree, there is something not right about the tune. Will be taking the car back on wednesday.

Hyper4mance2k 02-03-2015 02:16 PM

Here's my sound clip.
BRZ/FRS Magnaflow Exhaust Skunk2 EL Header:
[ame="http://youtu.be/m2jQzYzRH2g"]http://youtu.be/m2jQzYzRH2g[/ame]

I think there's something wonky going on with Sachu's car. If I'm following everything correctly, he put down 180 stock, then 184 with his exhaust & a tune, then did 183.5 with the header, and 193 with the header and a retune.
Not that 193 for a header, exhaust & tune is bad, especially considering how rich his car is running.
I think he should make the drive up to Drift Office and let Bob work his magic.

sachu 02-03-2015 02:37 PM

180~181 stock
184 with drop in air filter
183.5 with drop in air filter, header and op/fp
193 with the above mods and brzedit tune.


The clip sounds good man...although a drive by or a mic setup 20 feet back is more representative of the sound of the exhuast i feel

slyder 02-03-2015 08:46 PM

So here's my review.
Fteightysix had a Black Friday special when it just had become a preorder. I did the preorder and about a week later got word the first batch of headers we're going out directly from Skunk 2. I received it was kind of polished but dull I guess being a first batch and all but nothing mothers Polish couldn't fix. So I had it professionally installed and it went it pretty easy all though had a little exhaust leak. Tweaked one of the bolts connecting the header to the motor and it was gone. So when I intially started sounded deep and mean loved it. Drove off and hear a rasp at 3k-5k then it gets fainter. Could be my exhaust which is a Takeda catback. Trying out a front pipe to see if that could help but will get to the bottom of the rasp.

So all I gotta say is felt a difference in power was kind of sluggish at first but was a new header then it opened up and I felt the power difference. A week later I ordered the open flash tablet and did a stage 2 tune and drove off and felt nothing but happiness and joy. So bottom line header is amazing definetly awesome craftsmanship and best bang for the buck on an EL header. I would definetly recommend it.

For all those that want sound clips will get you guys some soon just waiting for the snow to melt here in Long Island, Ny.
Hope this helps

Hyper4mance2k 02-04-2015 03:00 PM

Ugh I need an OFT... and some coil overs... and some wheels... and... and... and...

sachu 02-04-2015 03:21 PM

I just want my car to run correctly in the useable 2k-5k range lols

Hoping a retune will fix this. Dropping her off tonight.

sachu 02-10-2015 12:13 AM

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@Hyper4mance2k, @KraftWerks, @steve99 @shiv

Here's pulls with the skunk2 header, nameless FP/OP, Perrin 2.5 resonated catback, drop in perrin air filter.

I was putting down 183.5 on the stock tune with the above setup. (Not shown)

@KoolBRZ was nice enough to volunteer his time and Open FLash Tablet to run some tests to see what was up with my BRZEdit tune.

I did a test drive before the dyno runs and I immidiately knew the torque dip was definitely less noticeable.

THe dyno results speak for themselves.

First two runs are with Stage 2 UEL.
Last two are with Stage 2 EL.

The UEL is a richer tune, the EL is a leaner tune. The UEL makes more power and has more torque in the dip area.

There was also some rasp in the EL tune. The UEL tune sounded eargasmic.

I am surprised a bit by the gains in peak HP though. Not as big as I was thinking even with the OFT tune.

KoolBRZ 02-10-2015 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sachu (Post 2125772)
@Hyper4mance2k, @KraftWerks, @steve99

Here's pulls with the skunk2 header, nameless FP/OP, Perrin 2.5 resonated catback, drop in perrin air filter.

I was putting down 183.5 on the stock tune with the above setup. (Not shown)

@KoolBRZ was nice enough to volunteer his time and Open FLash Tablet to run some tests to see what was up with my BRZEdit tune.

I did a test drive before the dyno runs and I immidiately knew the torque dip was nearly all but gone.

THe dyno results speak for themselves.

First two runs are with Stage 2 UEL.
Last two are with Stage 2 EL.

The UEL is a richer tune, the EL is a leaner tune. The UEL makes more power and has more torque in the dip area.

There was also some rasp in the EL tune. The UEL tune sounded eargasmic.

I am surprised a bit by the gains in peak HP though. Not as big as I was thinking even with the OFT tune.

I was on that "test drive" with Sachu. I can vouch for it being stronger on the OFT stage 2 UEL. We ran out of road/room at least 20 times. If my hair wasn't already blonde, it would have turned white. It accelerated with no hesitation whatsoever, and I've had a turbo in my BRZ. I couldn't detect a bit of torque dip at all as a passenger. I couldn't believe how much grip he had with stock tires. I was constantly bracing for slides that never happened. I particularly noticed a 3rd gear rev from 3000 to 5200 rpms that rocketed up to 60MPH with no lapse, falter, or even the slightest hesitation, and this is with a freshly loaded tune. No time for adaptation, nothing but load and go.
The manual version of these cars is definitely a whole nuther beast. Driving a car like that in stop and go traffic however, would be inviting a road rage meltdown. I'll stick to my auto for now, but after I retire...

Hyper4mance2k 02-10-2015 01:32 PM

Pretty shocking that the UEL tune made more power on an EL header. I was going to try to pick up an OFT, but now this just makes me want to skip it all together.

wparsons 02-10-2015 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johan (Post 2063597)
This is dyno tuned on ECUTek with a Skunk2 Intake vs dyno tuned with a Skunk2 Intake and Skunk2 Alpha header. Car is otherwise stock.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...31816914_o.png

Was it re-tuned after the header, or still running the original tune?

sachu 02-10-2015 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 2126534)
Was it re-tuned after the header, or still running the original tune?

He says it was tuned with ECUTek..so its a before and after custom tune


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