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brandonblt2 12-11-2014 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 2052115)
I'm a mechanical engineer, you lost me at the word "code". JK, thanks, this is very helpful.

Hold on are you seriously a ME? If so this should be basic physics and dynamics I'm a Civil Engineer and could figure out the benefits.

Stang70Fastback 12-11-2014 12:49 AM

I'm an Aerospace Engineer (at least, that's my degree) and so I shall settle this debate once and for all:

Microwave.

Sportsguy83 12-11-2014 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by brandonblt2 (Post 2052253)
Hold on are you seriously a ME? If so this should be basic physics and dynamics I'm a Civil Engineer and could figure out the benefits.

I guess you didn't read the whole thread. The question is not "why" or "how", I already knew the answer to both. The questions is quantity. How much of a benefit it really is. If you research, some people say it's negligible others say it's a big improvement so what I am looking for is people with experience on the subject. Someone who has actually changed wheels for same sized wheels but noticeably lighter and their personal opinion of performance improvement.

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swarb 12-11-2014 01:49 AM

rpf1? do it!
It makes everything more efficient. Brakes, Suspension, Acceleration, etc.
18x9.5 is much wheel. go 17x9 for racecar because racecar.
If you are near the limit with your current setup I would say its worth the money. Otherwise I would say spend money on consumables/track time/ stuff you don't have.
There is a reason why almost everyone runs 17's, even 17x8 or 17x8.5. And many run 225/45-17 instead of 245/40-17, car benefits more from acceleration(which it lacks) and nimbleness over outright grip. Tires are also lighter in smaller sizes.

maybe a tenth or two per lap.

Sportsguy83 12-11-2014 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2052325)
rpf1? do it!
It makes everything more efficient. Brakes, Suspension, Acceleration, etc.
18x9.5 is much wheel. go 17x9 for racecar because racecar.
If you are near the limit with your current setup I would say its worth the money. Otherwise I would say spend money on consumables/track time/ stuff you don't have.
There is a reason why almost everyone runs 17's, even 17x8 or 17x8.5. And many run 225/45-17 instead of 245/40-17, car benefits more from acceleration(which it lacks) and nimbleness over outright grip. Tires are also lighter in smaller sizes.

maybe a tenth or two per lap.


I hate having the same wheels everyone has.... I am looking at TWS T66-F which are even lighter than RPF1s. But, they have two downsides. One more expensive than my current wheels, second, uglier than my current wheels. That's why I'm trying to gauge real actual quantifiable benefit of them. :cheers:

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swarb 12-11-2014 02:45 AM

rpf1's. DO EEEET. ONE OF US> ONE OF US.
seriously though, .1 up to maybe .2 per lap. +slightly faster with 17's. And tires are much cheaper, meaning you can get a better compound which is more important than the weight imo.
Your car is pretty built. I would suggest a lsd and maybe some aero instead.

Sportsguy83 12-11-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2052354)
rpf1's. DO EEEET. ONE OF US> ONE OF US.
seriously though, .1 up to maybe .2 per lap. +slightly faster with 17's. And tires are much cheaper, meaning you can get a better compound which is more important than the weight imo.
Your car is pretty built. I would suggest a lsd and maybe some aero instead.

I would never go back to 17's :D

The benefits I'm thinking about are, acceleration, specifically before the turbo spools up. The response from the car on initial WOT, and cutting down spool up time. Once I hit full boost, the wheel weight don't matter much. The transition phase when its spooling up is when I think these lighter wheels could make a big difference acceleration and response performance wise.

OkieSnuffBox 12-11-2014 10:31 AM

In the real world, it's not that big of a deal.


Grassroots Motorsports did a test on this in a past issue using a Miata (even lighter and more sensitive to wheel weight) and the changes didn't amount to anything more than statistical noise.


In other words, don't worry about it. It's just bench racing.

jvincent 12-11-2014 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 2052328)
I hate having the same wheels everyone has....

I hear ya on this.

Have a look at the PF01. They are much better looking than the RPF1 and according to Enkei site they are also stronger so should handle track abuse better. They are a little more expensive, which means you don't see many around.

Depending on the size you are looking at they are only marginally heavier than the RPF1.

bababooey 12-11-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 2052007)
Why is the sky blue?
How is a rainbow made?
How does a posi-track in a plymoth work?....

It just does. :p

as delivered by dear-teh SR

echo419 12-11-2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 2052018)
Probably depends on where the weight is shaved from too. Weight at the edge of the wheel takes more energy to spin than weight towards the hub, right? But then there's that whole conservation of inertia and shit, fuck if I know... I'm out.

cuse Merica' that's why :burnrubber:

brandonblt2 12-11-2014 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 2052324)
I guess you didn't read the whole thread. The question is not "why" or "how", I already knew the answer to both. The questions is quantity. How much of a benefit it really is. If you research, some people say it's negligible others say it's a big improvement so what I am looking for is people with experience on the subject. Someone who has actually changed wheels for same sized wheels but noticeably lighter and their personal opinion of performance improvement.

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Oh, ok I missed that part when reading through I guess :bonk:

Sportsguy83 12-11-2014 03:14 PM

There was a good thread going for this already but I just found it today.. ooopps....


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32858

C130NAV 12-12-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 2052018)
Probably depends on where the weight is shaved from too. Weight at the edge of the wheel takes more energy to spin than weight towards the hub, right? But then there's that whole conservation of inertia and shit, fuck if I know... I'm out.

If I remember correctly its also harder to slow down the weight at the end then at the center. Hmmm ...


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