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1Cor10:23 11-17-2014 03:40 PM

Drain STA-BIL gas after storing for winter?
 
Fellow Canadians,

Going to be storing my 86 for the first time (and first stored car ever, for that matter). I'm going to add some sta-bil and top off my gas before the snow starts to settle.

I'm curious as to how many people pump their gas our (drain) after storing for the winter (with stabil) or whether it's fine to just consume the gas through regular driving.

I also plan to drive the car for a few minutes every 2 weeks or so as I park in a condo with a fairly expansive indoor parking lot (5KPH lapping!)

Thanks in advance.

wbradley 11-17-2014 04:24 PM

I have no idea why you would think that you need to drain the fuel that has stabilizer added for storage. The purpose of stabilizer is to keep the fuel from going bad (oxidizing), so that is usable in the spring.

Where would one dispose of drained fuel anyway?

1Cor10:23 11-17-2014 04:25 PM

@wbradley I've seen a few people suggest it on other forums - they would pump out the "stabilized" / stored fuel and put it into other small motor equipment or cars that are less temperamental about fuel quality.

df.dima 11-17-2014 04:52 PM

Stored for 2 winters, never drained. Doing same thing this year.

BatStig 11-17-2014 05:44 PM

To be safe, just behave yourself in the spring as you burn through the tank. Much easier said than done, however. That first drive in the spring is like driving it for the first time all over! Tears of joy may or may not have been shed.

Faccck 11-17-2014 08:06 PM

op, fill up tank with fuel and then add bottle of stable and then run the car for 5mins so that the stable can get into the entire fuel line. When the warmer weather arrives, just drive the car around until you empty the tank. Make sure you cover your exhaust tips up with steel wool too to keep the rodents out.

wbradley 11-17-2014 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Cor10:23 (Post 2025364)
@wbradley I've seen a few people suggest it on other forums - they would pump out the "stabilized" / stored fuel and put it into other small motor equipment or cars that are less temperamental about fuel quality.

Hmmm seems like a waste of effort to drain and store 55L of Ultra 94 to run in my lawn mower. I'd be lucky to burn 10L/ year.

The purpose of stabilizer is to ensure the fuel is still good to use in 6 months, otherwise it serves no purpose.

If in an unheated garage where theres a power receptacle, its best to keep a battery tender hooked up and never start the car until you take it out. In a warm condo garage perhaps start it every week to 10 days just to keep the battery from discharging. Running at idle 5 to 10 mins should do the job. Rolling forward or back slightly will help avoid flat spots on tires.

df.dima 11-17-2014 10:45 PM

^ about flat spots and tires, recommendations are to fill air to max psi, but last year I forgot. I never move the car, but it was ok last winter with regular mid 30 psi...
Let's say all winter I was a bit concerned about driving on square tires soon :). It was fine.

wbradley 11-18-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by df.dima (Post 2025885)
^ about flat spots and tires, recommendations are to fill air to max psi, but last year I forgot. I never move the car, but it was ok last winter with regular mid 30 psi...
Let's say all winter I was a bit concerned about driving on square tires soon :). It was fine.

To avoid, I kept mine at ma (42 PSI I think). Apparently the flat spots usually work their way out after 1/2 hr of driving.

Thorpedo 11-18-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 2025709)
Hmmm seems like a waste of effort to drain and store 55L of Ultra 94 to run in my lawn mower. I'd be lucky to burn 10L/ year.

55L?!!! You add an extra fuel tank? :bellyroll::bellyroll:

Yeah the Sta-bil is specifically designed to prevent you from having to drain the fuel. Don't bother. If the car is stock then I wouldn't worry about driving it hard on the first tank either.

Mr.Impreza 11-18-2014 11:25 PM

I honestly been storing my subaru for 6 years now and i don't do anything. No PSI increasing, no stabilizer fuel...all i do is warm it up and sometimes on dry winter days take it around the block. Doing the same for the FRS.

I guess if your paranoid you can do all those steps, but I've never done them and never had issues. Just my .02 cents

RFB 11-19-2014 09:20 AM

A trusted mechanic - racer buddy of mine believes gas will last 1 year.
I have routinely stored cars for a year, no gas stabilizer, full tank, a couple of bottles of methyl hydrate (gas line anti freeze) and have had no problems.
With my twin, I tried storing with and without stabilizer and noticed no difference .
Perhaps the problem of winter condensation in the tank and lines adding water to the fuel is more of a problem than gas going bad - ?



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Thorpedo 11-19-2014 10:26 AM

http://www.fuel-testers.com/expirati...hanol_gas.html

Straight gasoline has a shelf life of years, but with the addition of ethanol it drops significantly (3 months) due to ethanol's tendency of absorbing water and subsequently separating which has huge effects on octane rating.

I always cringe when I see "my mechanic buddy said". Five &*%^%^ minutes of googling will result in better info. A lot of people don't take into account that things might not be the same now as they were 30 years ago.

RFB 11-19-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Thorpedo (Post 2027726)
http://www.fuel-testers.com/expirati...hanol_gas.html

Straight gasoline has a shelf life of years, but with the addition of ethanol it drops significantly (3 months) due to ethanol's tendency of absorbing water and subsequently separating which has huge effects on octane rating.

I always cringe when I see "my mechanic buddy said". Five &*%^%^ minutes of googling will result in better info. A lot of people don't take into account that things might not be the same now as they were 30 years ago.

Lol ! I know what you mean !
Since he has been wrenching and racing for 40 years, as well as other very hi tech activities, I always try his techniques based on his experience.
He was talking from practical experience obviously, and the reason for the methyl hydrate is to address exactly what you correctly state.

I use non ethanol fuel, with methyl for storage for condensation - it worked.
Did the same with ethanol 94, it worked. If OFT shows knocking after storage a gallon of race gas or Torco would bring the octane backup.

:cheers:

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