Just went back through the whole thread and realized there are about 20 of us arguing the same point (over and over) against 3 people!
It certainly appears that those of us in the actual automotive industry all agree that we are unlikely to ever see a production FI car.
Not going to list all the hurdles yet again but we all say almost exactly the same things and give the same reasons.
But hey, what do we know, we only design/build/manage in the industry.

Buy a WRX then. They are different price categories. You pay for the turbo and awd in the wrx.

Because it's the same thing! Obviously this guy gets it. If you want a RWD 2 door with a turbo, then just get a WRX.

And the WRX and BRZ are in the same price category. Most people that want a turbo would be willing to shell out another 4-6k for a BRZ WRX/STi.

they make even less money on limited runs. It wouldn't be feasible to R&D a proper FI rig just to have it limited to the capacity to what we're seeing in their other limited releases. Aero and non-reliability parts (interior) is much easier to R&D and develop.


RWD 2 door with a turbo does not equal AWD 4 door with a turbo, but I see whatcha mean

Ok then buy an aftermarket turbo...it will equal the difference or do you need a reason to complain?

I get what you're saying but I think you missed the point that has been made. They don't want 2 sports cars costing the same amount...what's the purpose of that? Pleasing the brz/fr-s drivers that don't mind? I'm ok without it. I'll get an aftermarket. If they add a turbo people will bitch it's not good enough and replace it like they do with the WRX and STi. Well maybe they don't complain about the WRX and STi but it does get replaced often enough

This! WRX is not a valid comparison, as it is simply a variant of a 4-door econobox, which totally skews the margins.

Your sarcasm meter is broken :D.

Because I want to void my warranty the first year I have the car? Also I don't exactly want to have to buy a tune. I'd rather have the factory one then just slap on a tune after the warranty is done and people learn about the factory version of the car. Been watching this thing for far to long and have a slight mistrust with some of the vendors after how they treated people in the first year and some change.

Or they can just make an actual "performance" model of the car. They're in the same price area but they fill different segments. Do you think people said the Impreza shouldn't get a turbo? Because in a way that's what you're saying. "Oh they shouldn't make a better performance version of what we already have."

Woo! I'm part of the cool kids club! :thumbup:

Well I don't know if it is the "cool " kids as some would probably call us the "Dorky" crowd!

Son of a bitch, it is. :(

Depends on if he wears a hat like that or not! :eyebulge:

Hey a friend made me that hat!

SHHH he is on here so wear it to keep him happy wouldn't even touch it other wise.
Don't want too offend him but it is pretty dorky isn't it!

Not so sure about that since the WRX always had a turbo since it was released in America right?

The BRZ/FR-s is already a performance model. Do you mean performance ++?

Warranty smorranty...just pray you don't need it lol, Jk. I was told using royal purple voids the warranty. The only reason I care about the warranty is in case I ruin the car when I can't afford an aftermarket replacement for whatever I break. I did that with my STi. I learned a lot about cars quickly after utterly destroying my clutch

^^^^ Exactly!
The Impreza needed something to change it to a performance vehicle as it was really just a normal sedan.
Adding a turbo and all the other parts that go along with that was a relatively cheap proposal as the volume of Imprezas sold supported the upgrade.
The volume of base FRS/BRZ sold and the relatively small market for a turbo upgrade (I know I will hear "but everybody wants it") does not make it economically feasible to upgrade at the factory.
For about the 100th time I will say that adding a turbo is not just a matter of slapping one on in the plant and calling it a day. Many, many other parts would have to be upgraded so the guys that say a turbo only costs about $5K can think again.
Toyota will not take a hit just to please a crowd that would be well under 1% of their customers!

Agreed! Especially with the twins. They make it sound like any tiny modification ruins everything they worked to accomplish. I think it was the...bah Idk who. Someone in charge of the design of the cars. He said adding a convertible top or sunroof would require reworking the whole car. As far as I understand it they see it as perfection on wheels. Everyone thinks it's as easy as dropping a turbo under the hood I guess. It will probably install itself too.
It also sounds like a turbo is a bad idea overall due the engine or compression, Idk. I'm barely a car guy so I don't fully understand it all.
Its an awesome car without a turbo. That really shouldn't be a reason to avoid it. Go buy a mustang if you require so much more...murica !

But, I want a turbo DIESEL in my FR-S. Shouldn't be too hard...

I want mine to do this! Should be easy just some props and extra door seals, Maybe $3K or $5K tops!

To turbo it properly there is a whole lot more that needs to be done to the engine, brakes, axles. etc.
None of this is cheap and not to rehash what has been written a dozen times already all of the changes would have to meet government standards.
Now (again repeating myself) I do not see why they could not come out with a super/turbo TRD add on and other upgrades that would not void warranty. They did it with the TC supercharger. But... of course for some people it would not be big enough, not give enough hp, use to much fuel, not sound right, smell funny, make a noise, cost too much, not increase my value enough, break too much, not be as good as the one on XXX (could go on forever but point made) so it would still not satisfy everybody.

Bring on the convertible and don't make the car look "girly"

Oxymoron?....Forget about it. :burnrubber:

Just off the top of my head it would probably need the below from factory.

• Reinforced or Different 6 Speed Manual
• Stronger clutch
• Possible new aerodynamic and body parts (Hoodscoop for top mount or new spoiler)
• Bigger Brakes
• Wider Wheels
• Better Stock Tyres
• Larger Radiator
• Intercooler
• New Fuel Pump and Injectors
• New Throttlebody and Injection system.
• Potential further chassis bracing

Most of these parts would need to be at least repurposed from other platforms or at most designed from scratch which means $$$ R&D costs. For a car that is almost 4 years old I don't see that happening.

Toyota/Subaru aren't going to go the AVO route and just slap on a compressor and cooler and reflash the ECU. If they're going to make a turbo, they have to run exhaustive tests and research to confirm that it won't be unreliable and cost them millions in warranty claims or worse, become unsafe and cost them more in legal settlements. Remember the unintended acceleration fiasco? That cost Toyota billions.

I agree, I like the purity of the car as is. I just wanna have a fun car for once.

I just want my 0-60 under 6 and I'm happy. I am assuming this can be done with common upgrades and maybe a couple big upgrades (flywheel+clutch upgrade). Anyone know since I mentioned it. Without hijacking this forum too badly

Loads of ways! Just peruse the tech threads for a while and you will get some ideas. Of course you will have to dig through all the bullshit to find the true nuggets but they are there.
Your prior statement "I'm barely a car guy so I don't fully understand it all" may hinder you a bit but anything that you find interesting can be cross checked elsewhere.
Just beware that even though some guys really sound like they know their stuff does not mean they actually do. Anybody remember Ubersuber (or any of his prior aliases) ?


OH, and don't worry about jacking this thread it has been spinning in the same circle for about 50 posts now anyway!

I know stuff...just not the crazy technical stuff. I like my disclaimer so hopefully people won't call me ignorant at all things ever just cause I was wrong in the internets. Also, learn lots scrolling through the forums and googling all things among other sources. Thanks man!

I would venture to say;

The majority, if not all, of the super/turboed Twins on the road would not meet the requirements to be a prodution vehicle. They would not pass one or more of; emission regs, safety regs, reliability standards, driveability standards, serviceability standards etc.

It's easy to overlook minor issues on your car on mods you've done, tire rubbing, harsh ride, brake dust/noise, poor fit, rattles. But a production car can't have any of those issues. Imagine the blogs if a factory turboed engine fails at 20 or even 60k miles.

I'm hoping that TRD comes out with a F.I. solution for us. Yes, it will be expensive, but it should set the standard. Maybe the Cosworth setup???

I think what is always overlooked with this car is the daily fun factor. I owned an MR2 Turbo before the FR-S that had 275 WHP, and before that I had a MazdaSpeed 3. They obviously have a lot more power than the FR-S, but they weren't nearly as fun in daily driving, at least not safe/smart daily driving.

The simplicity of the car is what makes it fantastic. It is the reason why the Miata has been around for 25+ years. I've driven SRT-8's and Mustangs. They go extremely fast in straight lines, but the purity and the control that is offered with a lightweight sports car is more my style.

At the end of the day, I don't care if my car is considered slow by the masses, or if some 16 year old in a GTI can smoke me off a line. All I care about is how I FEEL when I drive this car, and I think that most people that spend any real time behind the wheel of this car would agree with me that it makes you FEEL pretty damn good.