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slava 10-17-2014 07:42 PM
What Stand Alone's are Available?
 
What is available right now for stand alones on these cars? Interested in doing itb's on the car but not into spending 2k+ on ecu, trying to see if I have any options here. Thanks.

gramicci101 10-17-2014 07:46 PM
I know @Element Tuning uses a Hydra EMS on their car.


Why are you looking at ITBs? What do you hope to gain over the OEM setup?

slava 10-18-2014 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1988309)
I know @Element Tuning uses a Hydra EMS on their car.


Why are you looking at ITBs? What do you hope to gain over the OEM setup?
Better sound, little more power, cool factor. Thats about it.

s2d4 10-18-2014 12:18 PM
Stand alones but not 2k+ for modern engine control? Really?

slava 10-18-2014 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by vgi (Post 1988950)
If I'm right, you must be coming from some other vehicle and forum. I also have a feeling you mean a different solution which here called piggyback. Stand alone is a rather full blown 3rd party ecu and doesn't cost less than 2K.

Btw, subaru's do not need to replace stock ECU when tuning, it's a different world. A flash ROM is burnt straight onto you stock ecu and you can try many different flashes from different tuners, so no need to buy a new ecu or send yours in for flashing.

The only piggy back available as far as I know is unichip.

I would also advise to look at @shiv's OFT (see posts on OFT). It's an external tablet which allows you to flash your car. Shiv has also created free tunes which you can download online.

I suggest you do a lot of reading on tuning subforum.
Thanks for the info. I understand the difference between stand alone, piggy back, and a flash. I currently have my car tuned with ecutek. My tuner and one other person has told me I need a stand alone to be able to tune with the itb's, this is why I'm asking whats out there in the market. I also understand that they aren't cheap, but I know AEM has a good reputation and wasn't too expensive on other vehicles.

Edit: being told ecutek cant use tps for load

slava 10-18-2014 04:33 PM
No worries.

s2d4 10-18-2014 05:45 PM
Probably make more sense to run a custom manifold with itbs enclosed ala RB26DETT

protpibe 10-18-2014 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by slava (Post 1988303)
What is available right now for stand alones on these cars? Interested in doing itb's on the car but not into spending 2k+ on ecu, trying to see if I have any options here. Thanks.
You can get the Hydra EMS for about $2k, but that doesn't include install. I haven't read up enough on it to say if it's 100% plug and play or if it maintains all of your OEM functions. EDIT: Nevermind, here's the info: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46362

You can also go with a Motec unit, but it's more like $4k or more. The motec has the advantage of maintaining all of your OEM functions (ac, climate control, etc) and will be more or less plug and play. http://johnreedracing.com/subaru-ecu...-m150-pnp-kit/

With that being said, an ITB setup is a waste of money imo. Unless you have deep pockets, the novelty of ITBs is greatly overshadowed by it's cost vs return. If you did go through with it, the bill would end up being more than a quality turbo kit for a fraction of the power. Just my two cents :)

arghx7 10-20-2014 10:49 AM
Take a step back for a second. The mass production ITB's out there with electronic throttle have the multiple butterflies driven by a single motor per bank, with a common shaft. Where are you going to find that to fit on your engine? Or were you seriously thinking about going with a cable throttle (might as well go carb while you're at it)?

You need two ITB units, consisting of 2 throttlebodies each driven by one DC motor. Then you need a controller with 2 H bridges to drive the respective TB's.

SomeoneWhoIsntMe 10-20-2014 10:53 AM
might as go carb while you're at it if you're converting to DBC?

shirley, you can't be serious.

continuecrushing 10-20-2014 12:19 PM
Yeah. And a stand-alone fuel management system. Not a bad way to spend $10,000

wparsons 10-20-2014 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by slava (Post 1988869)
Better sound, little more power, cool factor. Thats about it.
Sounds like all the wrong reasons to even look at ITB's, IMO.

slava 10-20-2014 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 1990845)
Sounds like all the wrong reasons to even look at ITB's, IMO.
Then what are the right reasons nerd?

Love how all the guys with mm posts think they're god and decide to shit on everything that goes against their opinion.

If you don't think this is cool, then we're clearly not on the same page.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps9ik8fyul.jpg

Please tell me the owner of that Weld car is a moron.

gramicci101 10-20-2014 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by slava (Post 1991259)
Then what are the right reasons nerd?

Love how all the guys with mm posts think they're god and decide to shit on everything that goes against their opinion.

If you don't think this is cool, then we're clearly not on the same page.

Please tell me the owner of that Weld car is a moron.
Really? Is calling someone a nerd for disagreeing with you really necessary?

Also, that is a show car. That's why everything is tucked; that's why it has a deep candy paint; that's why most of the plastic bits have been replaced with polished aluminum. And I'm sure he spent a lot more than $2K on his ECU.

If you have the math and machining background to make ITBs and intake runners of the correct length, then go for it. No one here is stopping you. I guarantee it'll cost a lot more than $2K to get it running, even if you can actually build the system.


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