Delicious Flash & GO Tunes for ALL FORCED INDUCTION Applications - Q&A
 

Delicious Tuning has spent over a year developing what we call our Flash & Go Tunes. The original intention with these tunes was to create a tune that will work on almost any forced induction application including all superchargers to turbo kits running up to 22 pounds of boost currently. We also wanted to incorporate our own technology so we can offer more advance features that are not available in the market currently through your personal Android (phone or head unit) or iPhone.

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EcuTeK ProECU Tuning Software (showing custom mapping and speed density tables)

Why would we create something like this?
- We created this so for the main reasons customers expressed to us below:

1. Instant gratification after the forced induction installation is complete
2. There is no access to a local BRZ/FRS/86 tuner
3. There is also no access to a dyno facility for remote tuner
4. Ability to change boost levels without retuning
5. Ability to run FlexFuel with boosted applications

With this in mind we also looked at designing the tune to be as much OEM feeling as possible. We pride ourselves on meeting unrealistic expectations, basically if someone tells us it is not possible we will find a way to make it happen. To meet those levels requested by our customer base we have designed our own standards for the optimal tune.

Delicious Tuning Standards for a Dedicated Daily Driver and/or Fun Weekend Driver:

1. It must start and idle similar or better to an OEM vehicle (auto or manual)

a. Includes 91,92,93,94 octane, 95, 98 RON and E85
b. Includes cold start, warm start and hot restart
c. Includes head lights on/off, AC on/off, Defog or Defrost on/off
d. Includes cold, cool, average, warm and hot conditions
e. Includes elevation changes from sea level to a mile plus above
f. Must be consistent and repeatable

2. It must drive similar or better to an OEM vehicle (auto or manual)

a. Includes stop and go traffic, highway cruising and the average there of
b. Includes 91,92,93,94 octane, 95, 98 RON and E85
c. Includes cold start, warm start and hot restart
d. Includes head lights on/off, AC on/off, Defog or Defrost on/off
e. Includes cold, cool, average, warm and hot conditions
f. Includes elevation changes from sea level to a mile plus above
g. Must be consistent and repeatable

3. It must perform similar or better in MPG to an OEM vehicle (auto or manual)

a. Includes stop and go traffic, highway cruising and the average there of
b. Includes 91,92,93,94 octane, 95, 98 RON and E85
c. Includes cold start, warm start and hot restart
d. Includes head lights on/off, AC on/off, Defog or Defrost on/off
e. Includes cold, cool, average, warm and hot conditions
f. Includes elevation changes from sea level to a mile plus above
g. Must be consistent and repeatable

4. It must perform with an expected power delivery

a. Includes 91,92,93,94 octane, 95, 98 RON and E85
b. Includes head lights on/off, AC on/off, Defog or Defrost on/off
c. Includes cold, cool, average, warm and hot conditions
d. Includes elevation changes from sea level to a mile plus above
e. Must be consistent and repeatable

We have been testing the tune and many revisions of the tune over the past year and currently our Flash & Go Tune now resides on the following forced inductions applications in the market.

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JDL Turbo Kit - Borg Warner using Flash & Go

Forced Induction Applications Tested

1. AVO Turbo Kits
2. BoomBop Turbo Kits
3. CX Racing Turbo Kits
4. Custom Turbo Kits

a. Rear Mounted
b. Home Built Projects

5. Electric Supercharger
6. FA20Club Turbo Kit
7. Full Blown Turbo Kits
8. Greddy Turbo Kits
9. HKS Superchargers
10. Innovate/Sprintex Supercharger
11. Jackson Racing Supercharger
12. JDL by Design Turbo Kits
13. Kraftwerks Superchargers
14. MA Performance Turbo Kits
15. PTuning Turbo Kits
16. Speed By Design Turbo Kits
17. Vortech Supercharger

Flash & Go Tunes Will Also Work On

1. Crawford Performance Turbo Kits
2. P&L Turbo Kits
3. RevWorks Turbo Kits
4. STS Turbo Kits

While this may not be all the kits available on the market we are confident the Flash & Go Tune will work on just about any forced induction setup available now or in the future.

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Delicious Tuning FlexFuel Kit & Boost On Demand System (in development)

Flash & Go Tune incorporates the following features and options

1. FlexFuel for 91 to E85 applications (using rear O2 to ECU input)
2. Boost On Demand via Android / IPhone Application (In Development)

a. Overboost Fuel Cut

3. Scaling For Nearly All Injectors

a. Bosch EV14
b. Deatchwerks
c. Injector Dynamics
d. Fuel Injector Clinic

4. Scaling For Nearly All Manifold Pressure Sensors

a. Delicious Tuning 11 PSI MAP Sensor
b. Delicious Tuning 26 PSI MAP Sensor
c. Omni 3 Bar MAP Sensor
d. Hondata / Omni 4 Bar MAP Sensor

5. Pure Speed Density VE Tables (MAF Sensor not required)
6. Tip In Knock Correction
7. Customized Traction control
8. Valet Mode Map Selection
9. RaceROM Special Features

a. Switchable Maps
b. Flat Foot Shifting
c. Auto Blip
d. Launch Control
e. Per Gear Rev Limit
f. Accelerator Trim

Flash & Go Tune Version: 28.50

Updates Include:
- changes to help mitigate LSPI (low speed pre-ignition)
- drivability improvement over 27.5x and 28.xx
- more top end power on the Edelbrock supercharger
- more accurate AFR readings
- better closed loop fuel control under WOT

Latest version information in the 2nd post below.


For more information, dyno charts on our Flash & Go Tunes please visit our website directly:
http://www.delicioustuning.com/flash_and_go

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

With over 9 years of tweaking this platform we have officially released version 33.50.

Current Flash & Go Tune Version: 33.50

Updates Include:
- full time speed density (SD mode)
- faster spool up on turbo applications
- more stable idle over stock and previous versions
- additional changes to help mitigate LSPI (low speed pre-ignition)
- drivability improvement over 28.50 and 31.50
- increased top end performance

Delicious Flash & GO Tunes for ALL FORCED INDUCTION Applications - Q&A
 

Im really bad with these long reviews and projecting ideas into words but here goes.

I've had two cars done at Delicious tuning and it was spot on.
Car1) map turbo kit gtx3076 3" turbo back catted/resonated
This is my personal car that i beat so hard on 18sh psi daily. I took this car to a drag event and did over 10 back to back pulls in 90+ temps. The car also topped 6th. The tune was on point. The car never complained (tunewise) and ran like a champ

Car2) fa20crap kit 60trim, stock op, test pipe and a q300

What bill did was take my 91 oct map (car1) and put it on this car. Straight away the tune was flawless and even performed way better than the previous tune at wg (previously evasive tuned ). The car was a blast to drive and was the perfect daily on 91

Long story short, i tested this and had a great experience with what bill has to offer. i personally tested the same map on two different cars. The cars barely had anything in common other than a stock block. Obviously a bit of tweaking here in there is a must for optimal performance but Bill knows what he's doing and it works pretty well. Im currently building my block on car1 and should be back for some more crazy power.


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So revisions are less needed than other maps? I have a gtx28 right now with a 2.5 vatted exhaust let's say I jump up to a 3 inch catless setup, how much work needs to be done? Let's say I jump up to a gtx35 and more fuel, is it simple to change or is it going to take 30-40 revisions.

By any chance have you tuned a car with a gtx3567? Curious on your thoughts. Thank you for your time

Please send me new version, dongle id 6B-13-AE

We just finished a turbo install and did a flash and go last night. I can attest to 1. Instant gratification after the forced induction installation is complete. Once our kit was on we flashed and went for a ride. Def put a smile on my face. JDL will be offering Delicious tunes for all our turbo systems


Thanks for making the process so easy Bill :thumbup:

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im a bit confused since im no good with technology and new to cars
ive got a kraftwerks kit installed on my baby and its for the most part a DD, and currently tuned to the base tune kraftwerks sends you for 91 gas.

with this, i could reflash my car to say, get better mileage for the winter since im not gonna be going boost in bad weather?
and should a random sunny day appear, i can reflash the car again to boost for 93 gas?

you don't have to keep reflashing, that's what ecutek switchable maps are for. so you could have a map for 91 octane and another for 93.

edit: here's a video from Delicious Tuning showing how it's done.

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I think you guys made my choice for tuning pretty easy for when I go FI.

This tune appeals to me however I don't see any mention of headers in the thread.
Does the tune take them into account?

If I were to apply this tune to a FI motor with Full Blown's 10:1 compression block using their head and cam improvements would it work or would I still need a custom tune?

There would need to be adjustments for ignition timing as the timing values would need to be advanced for the lower compression. But that would be about it. Fueling changes would be very minimal.

We are working on some additional features with our module that would allow and over all timing advance also for lower compression setups. This is in development.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Converting the Euro file today. I should have that out to you later today.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

PM'd

Bill, this sounds like a great option for me. I am looking at getting a Jackson Racing supercharger system.

How would this work if I got the JRC and say a ptuning header? Would you revise the initial tune you send me before I first install it, or get some data from me after I have it running?

One of my main concerns is not having any daily driving driveability issues. Based on your description I should not have any of these issues?

How much for a re-tune later, say if I get a header at a later time?

Also, do your tunes account for cold climate driving, like up here in MN?

Thanks!

Pat

Responded.

Hi Pat,

We have our base Flash & Go map that works on anything. For revisions we can accommodate if you like for the header to see if we can get a little more out of it. For that we charge a small service fee for each revision.

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For something like that I would think back and forth about 2-3 times would refine the tune for fueling, and timing to be optimal for those headers.

Our tunes are designed for cold temperature down to about 10 degrees Fahrenheit right now. We have not tested much below that to be honest.

We are working on a new boost control setup to suite very cold to very hot conditions as this has the largest variance throughout the year.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

I always wondered, can you tweak some else's tunes (another master tuner) ?

I can provide assistance with extreme cold weather logging. I will be driving my car through the winter in Edmonton, we will see temperatures lower than -35*c.

We can not. Usually they are locked and we do not tune other Master Tuner's tunes mainly being their are so many tables within the mapping process we could easily overlook something and have more problems then benefits. Just too many chances for errors.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

/waves

Thanks for the reply Bill.

Would I be safe with your tune in colder weather, say up to 20 below zero as the tune is now?

Also, are your tunes locked, or could I change things like the auto blip and other features in your tune once it is installed?

Thanks!

Pat

PM'd

Took the plunge...
 

I just finished my ordering my Flash and Go Tune to go with a shinny new AVO/Milltek setup. Can't wait...

Thanks Bill for all your help, I made my order earlier today

So that brings up an interesting question. I live in Chicago and I need to drive this car year around. The winters here are brutal and we can experience below zero weather for days or weeks at a time. So that being said...

Will my "Infamous Performance EBC" that I just ordered allow for driving below 10 degrees Fahrenheit?

Will I need to avoid driving after my AVO/Delicious/Milltek install? How can I keep my engine safe if I have no choice and need to use the car in VERY cold weather.

How can I help? You'll have at least one car in a cold environment. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you test. (PM's are welcome! :thumbsup:)

Ordered my upgrade a few days ago. Interested to see the difference from 91 to 94 on the dyno at work.

The tunes are locked but we do provide the option to change features as requested. Depending on the time to complete the change is the what the service price comes out to.

As for 20 degrees below. Well Southern California does not get that cold. LOL So the tune should work fne on pump fuel. On E85 that is another story.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

All orders have been mailed / emailed out as of this morning.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

The boost controller should not have any problems. So that is not a concern.

In cold weather my only concern is cold start. You just want to make sure to warm your car up pretty well before driving. Also you will not want to run E85 in such cold weather either, unless they mix it down to E70, which they probably do for the winter blend.

Those are the major concerns. Not power, more just drivability.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

I hope to see Delicious Tuning tune new Full-race turbo kit with EFR 7163.

I hear ya. I'm in Winnipeg and we get fairly cold here, however, I won't drive mine once there's snow on the ground. We've been below 0 celcius a couple times this year and there's a pretty big variance on boost levels as a result. I emailed Bill a log late last week and agreed to test out the new boost control setup so hopefully it gets all dialed in before the real winter sets in :)

Dry pavement or not, it's not fun to drive in the cold on the tires I'm running haha

Yeah I'm year around on my car. Switch between summer and winter/ice tires. The turbo thing does add some uncertainty. I have the following 4 maps coming on my flash-in-go tune...

91 octane tune @ 6psi
93 octane tune@8psi
E50 tune@9psi
E85 tune@11psi

... and for the winter time I'm actually going to leave it at the 91 octane tune. I figure that the colder denser charge air coupled with the efficiency of the intercooler going through the roof working in winter air, there's going to be a LOT more power made at that 6psi in the winter time then would normally be there in when the air is 60-80 degrees warmer.

When it gets real cold out (below 0) I'll can try to avoid driving the car but I would like to know I'm not going to blow it up when I really need to take her out.

BTW for anyone reading this is my first time I'm installing an aftermarket FI kit onto anything. I had a VW 1.8T GTI some years ago so I understand turbos, just not what happens when you put on an engine that wasn't designed for it. I appreciate the community and all the help. :thanks:

@DeliciousTuning So I was in the process of installing EcuTeK and the Flash N Go map for my SBD turbo kit, but when I go to install it this box pops up and says:

"You have no programming licenses remaining. You must purcahse further licesnses from EcuTeK before programming this ECU. Process Aborted."

I just purchased this kit brand new so I assume I wouldn't need to purchase more licenses to upload the tune that I was given. Please help me I dont know what I'm doing wrong the only thing I can think of is I never received the license I've looked everywhere through all the files and nothing.

You need to buy a license in order to flash the tune. You only need to flash the license onto an ECU once, but you do need to purchase one initially.

I purchased one when I bought the tune it just never downloaded for some reason. I tried again this morning and it finally downloaded thanks though.

Sorry noob with ecutek. So all I'd need to run with the Flash&Go tune is an ecutek license ($350), the cable ($350), and of course the tune itself ($375)....yes? And with those i'd be able to flash and gather datalogs for tweaks/revisions?

Some of the concerns raised above were for cold weather use, how will this tune cope with high temp conditions, say on either AVO Stg1 kit, or the Sprintex Intercooled kit?
(stock engine apart from Motiv catted front pipe. no oil cooler)

Would I need an upgraded map sensor to run this tune?

You got it, thats everything youll need.

I remember hondata offered this kind of variety of tunes for so many different applications and it rocked. Cool to see such a comprehensive product you all put together!

I am curious how the SBD kit will go with this tune compared to the ecutek and OFT tunes they offer with the kit. Can you post you impressions and maybe a dyno in future?

I am loving the Delicious Flash N Go Tune so far, its way better than the oft tune. I have an automatic and when I was running the oft canned tune it didn't work very well because they never implemented data points from an automatic. ill hopefully be posting some dyno results in the near future. ill keep you posted.