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Not to be off topic here, but I feel this car to be even more fun only needs 20-40 more hp. I'm surprised nobody has done an FA20F swap from the new wrx or jdm legacy gt or something...
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has anybody here even driven a frs or brz with over 240 whp? most of you will say no. till you do this you don't need to even think about 2jz or v8 swaps
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Sure, I'll be sure to install my r comps. You do know the throttle isn't a light switch right? I don't have to use all 500whp from the moment I touch the throttle.
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Yes, I do. Have you run autocross with this setup (In the rain)?
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Not in the rain but I have auto crossed it on my 560 tread wear nittos and guess what..... I beat all the stock FRS/brz's and placed 2nd in the street tire class. It's all in how you use the power and how good of a driver you are to be able to control it. Any other questions?
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I haven't lost to a stock 86 either, with street tires. That's not saying much. If you live in the PNW you pretty much have to run in the rain.
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We lucked out and none of our events were rained out. Off boost my car makes no more than stock power so it stands to reason, on part throttle it will be as easy to drive as stock.
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This is why the lsx wins over the 2jz. More usable power. A lsx frs would probably be easier to drive than my 450+whp fa20.
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I imagine when you do come into boost on an autocross course it must take some extreme right foot control. Good on ya for getting out there and performing with that setup.
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It's a crowd pleaser that's for sure on the street tires.
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It's all in the tune. Boost by gear, rampable boost and per gear traction control are all a click away in ecutek. But a large displacement na v8 will always be easier to drive then a fi 4 cylinder of the same hp. Trust me, my first tune made power too quick with my gtx28.
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Why do you need a sports car when a Prius will do? Why do you need a car at all when a bike or your own 2 feet will do? See how stupid that sounds? Quote:
Considering the size of the tires you can stuff under this chassis and how beefy the suspension really is, you're simply 100% wrong. Quote:
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Depends on gearing and power levels. I've heard this line before and watched Supras absolutely destroy them... Quote:
Depends, with how many trucks and SUVs with idiots behind the wheel around here, a bike is a death wish... Quote:
You make it sound like you can't get decent sized rubber under this car, and that it's magically going to snap the chassis in two. It's been consistently proven the chassis is very overbuilt on this car. Quote:
Maybe on a car without any tuning that gives full boost in first gear. We've been able to get real traction control with different boost levels per gear for decades now... Quote:
Won't fit, would make less power than adding FI to our FA20 because of the dual fuel system we have, etc... Quote:
- Axles I dunno of failures from power (lots of failures from being too low, just like the WRX/STI crowd). So what, get beefier ones. - Differential is the same size as the old MKIII Supra IIRC, so it will take it just fine. Oil cooler will help on high speed runs though. - Suspension is fine (unless of course you're putting in a much heavier engine, so then you need springs to match) - Drive shaft is fine and if it needs to be stronger it's no big deal as everyone is swapping them anyway. - Brakes, there are bolt on options for this and people with stock power are even going to BBK's so I fail to see your point. THIS CAR WAS DESIGNED TO BE TUNED. They knew all of this stuff would happen and it's why the aftermarket support for this car is huge. Want to stay stock? Good for you, but you're in the minority... |
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I guess the staff at TOMS are just a bunch of morons for using a 2gr v6 to make 400hp when an FA20 w/ turbo can also do that...?
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You're right your car is amazing and you're the God of everything that is Frs...I am awed by your knowledge. I'm sorry, pfft gfys. |
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Also, my vehicles see competition level use ;) |
booo engine swaps
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Because it's what gets attention at car shows? Much like JDM companies swapping RB motors into Supras, it's to get attention and means nothing on the performance side. It's a "look what I can do." Quote:
The car is already over built and over building is a GOOD thing. Designing and engineering to withstand only what is expected is how you get catastrophic failures (I'm looking at you BMW) |
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You keep trying to educate people on why swaps are pointless but in every argument you make it seem as though you are the one that needs to be educated. Your arguments stand to reason that you don't believe in any modifications to an OEM product and that's fine but why distribute baseless statements to those who may be interested in taking this on. Like others have said most people doing these types of mods are aware of what needs to be done and it's not their first rodeo. We need to have a swap section so that those actually doing the swaps can help those considering it without pages upon pages of why you shouldn't do it. Although, this is exactly what this particular thread would bring to the surface haha |
I do swaps because I like the challenge, the fabrication, the problem solving, the creativity. Not because I want a corvette with a miata body on it. It seems what we call "car enthusiasts" are just people that like what the oem builds. I like what I build. Even if it's primared, welded together, noisy, rattly, and more expensive than something else. I built it with my own hands late at night with my wife in my driveway and it's fast and it's mean. And I like it. Everyone else can trade their car in. I'm growing mine and loving every stupid problem I have to solve.
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People say they love the car and then proceed to change everything about a twin that makes it a twin, makes no sense to me, except for the challenge of doing the work or bragging at car shows. As OmarGc so eloquently pointed out (with his comment about cheap Taiwanese turbo kit and cheap knock off wheels) I'm not stock either. |
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I intended on buying this car when there were no specs for it released, i knew it would be my next major build as I left my GTR and v5 sti behind. It having a subaru engine was almost a deal breaker for me once that information was released, but I said i would give it an opportunity still because I loved the chassis. Gave it a chance, refreshed my mind with how shitty subaru engines are and got rid of it ASAP. My car hasn't been on the road for 2, almost 3 months under its own power... But my wiring harness arrives this weekend after 9 weeks, and I'll be on the road as soon as I can get to it(within 2 months or so) as long as no other out the country work trips pop up. Again, fuck subaru engines lol
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My requirements were be light. Rwd. A toyota. Everything else was up to me.
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It was between 2jz, choice of toyota v8, and a LS3. Being a bit of a purist LS swap was thrown out rather quickly... Missing my jzx chassis history one morning I decided 2j would be my only option. |
That's why I have a lexus v8 powered corolla.
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Toyota designed it. Subaru built it. Toyota gave them a rear end a transmission and an efi. Toyota actually built the prototype out of a hacked up legacy.
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For a non-daily driver...LSx is the route I would want to go.
The main thing that irks me about my FRS is the Boxer motor... Subaru motors are very quirky and not even in the same league as Toyota motors.... have had experience with 2 other Subaru's (both EJ motors - 2.2 and 2.5, not my vehicles) and now this one, and yep it's Subaru 'quality' motor alright. My last time I will get a car with a Subaru motor in it... very looking forward to testing out the 'baby' FRS with a modified proven I4 Toyota motor which has been out for about a decade. To me if you are going for 400+hp with FI on an FA20 , you might as well throw a grenade in the engine compartment and just get it over with... unless you are going to do it right and spend the $$$$$$ to do EVERYTHING REQUIRED to make it reliable enough (transmission cooling, shielding for the coil pack closest the exhaust to help extend the shortened life [only expecting 1 year of functioning is not acceptable], cooling system overhaul, getting the heat out of the sealed engine bay, oil cooling and baffling system, figure out the solution to the lowish oil pressure at high rpms.) And for that amount you might as well just go with a custom LSx build and keep it normally aspirated and much more reliable... see Vorshlag's ongoing Alpha project (this is a forum members car): http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects...8839&k=t45GCwQ |
Your ignorance and toyota fanboy is showing..
Piston slap was an early LS1 issue on the C5 that was corrected with new rings. and it was just noise, not a reliablity issue.. Lol.. A straight 6 needs to have more mains.. The LSx actually have more support due to the shorter crank.. Nice try.. The fa20 does not have full variable valve timing.. There is no variable valve lift on this system. The fa20 fuel system is a mixed bag of tech.. If you like cricket sounds and overly complex programming.. This system is for you.. The beauty of the LSx is that it makes lots of reliable power, in a compact proven lightweight package that is affordable! That's not the case with the toy straight 6 Quote:
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Oops my bad.
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