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Dealerships to AVOID in the SE
Let's start a list of the dealers to AVOID. Follow the format below if possible:
Dealership Name: State: City: Brand: (ie Scion, Subaru or both) Salesman to talk to: Reference desired: (ie tell them Bob sent you, etc) Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: Details of your experience with the dealership: |
Dealership Name: Wesley Chapel Toyota/Scion
State: FL City: Wesley Chapel Brand: Scion Salesman to talk to: N/A Reference desired: N/A Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: N/A Details of your experience with the dealership: 4k FMV adjustment. |
Dealership Name: Toyota of the Avenues
State: Florida City: Jacksonville Brand: Scion Salesman to talk to: Reference desired: Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: 2 Details of your experience with the dealership: They have a $5,000 market adjustment and even have the balls to put the Asphault MT that I want on eBay. |
Dealership Name: David Maus Toyota
State: Florida City: Sanford Brand: Scion Salesman to talk to: Mike Durham Reference desired: Hot Lava MT or Asphault MT Allocation left? 2 Details of your experience with the dealership: Mike was an excellent salesman. They didn't have an FR-S with a MT but he told me he would give me a call when one came in. I later heard and confirmed that they were adding $3,000 as a market adjustment. It looks like I'm not going to get my FR-S anytime soon with all these market adjustments! Edit: after many upset customers, David Maus dropped the Market Adjustment. I bought my FR-S from them and would recommend them to anyone. I had done business with them in the past and my only issue this time was the adjusted price. Mod's feel free to erase this dealership from this post. |
Dealership Name: Marietta Scion
State: GA City: Marietta/Atlanta Brand: Scion/Toyota Salesman to talk to: - Reference desired: - Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: 1 AT (I was told one AT would be in this week) Details of your experience with the dealership: Nice enough guys at the dealership, but I got some screwy info from the salesman that made me walk. I was told "All FR-S's in the southeast come with Bespoke as a base installation and not as an option" and an additional "dealer inspection fee was added to the price...Also, a 5k non refundable deposit was required. thats 2 Atlanta area dealers down, hopefully the 3rd one is a charm. |
Dealership Name: Scott Clark Toyota
State: NC City: Charlotte Brand: Toyota/Scion Salesman to talk to: Tony Byrd Reference desired: N/A Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: 1-2, I think Details of your experience with the dealership: None on hand, started off by trying to sell me the 'loaded' FR-S with all manufacturer options (BeSpoke, tint, applique, etc). Then tried to tell me, 'they just come like that,' until I pushed hard enough for the base model. Severely undervalued my trade-in by $2500 (KBB) for my 08 Si. Adds $1200 market adjustment trying to pass as a special wax job and paint protection. Refused to remove the amount, saying they charge it for ALL cars. Also $699 DOC fee. Over MSRP and insane fees, lowballers, and all-around scheme artists -- need I say more? |
Dealerships to AVOID in the SE
Let's start a list of the dealers to AVOID. Follow the format below if possible: Dealership Name: Kieth Pierson Toyota/Scion State: Florida City: Jacksonville Brand: Scion Salesman to talk to: Ralph (Assistant Sales Manager) Reference desired: Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: Two, one silver, one black. Details of your experience with the dealership: I'm pretty interested in getting a Scion FRS, but I had a very negative experience with the above dealership. They have two FR-S's, manuals, one in silver the other in black. I want the black one, and the kieth pierson website advertises their black on for about 26,300. Until you go to the dealership. Then you see a 5,000 dollar "ADM" fee. Advanced Market Value. Because the car is "rare". And this is on top of an inflated MSRP of 27,200 dollars. Needless to say I told them to drop it down to 26 or they won't get my business. Of course they couldn't do it, so I told them I'll be contacting scion customer service. |
Maxwell Subaru 2519 N Church Street, Burlington, NC -- $5k over MSRP!!!!
Maxwell Subaru had listed - 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited - $28,637
After I spoke with the dealer and internet sales adviser, they told me the car was a "Demo" being driven by the General Manager and that they would require more money over the MSRP to get it "out of his hands". I told them I wouldn't pay over MSRP - especially since they had it listed on the internet at MSRP. After speaking with the General Manager, the told me they needed $5000 over suggested retail. NO THANKS! |
Southern States Subaru in Raleigh, NC
$3,000 markup on the BRZ limited.
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Dealership Name: Toyota/Scion of Tampa Bay
State: FL City: Tampa Brand: Scion Salesman to talk to: Bruno Reference desired: N/A Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: 2 Details of your experience with the dealership: I had gone to this dealership 2 months before the expected delivery date of the FR-S and spoken with Bruno, the Internet Sales Guy. He was nice, took my information and said he would contact me. (Had done the same with Subaru dealership and they never called back) Bruno emailed me when the first FR-S came in and I went by to check it out a week later (yes, it was still there!). Was an automatic (I wanted stick), but he sat down with me to go over what else would be coming in. The vehicle on the floor was optioned up to over $28,000 MSRP, $699 dealer fee, and addendum sticker for $2,999. After taxes the car would have cost over $33,000. He showed me what was coming in (Asphalt manual) and showed that it too was optioned out and would have the addendum. They had more options on that one so it also was over $33,000. I was upfront and told him that was Camaro SS territory. He wasn't willing to budge at all, then I realized I was in the middle of a negotiation for a Scion! I pointed out that there is a reason the FR-S they were selling was still sitting on the floor but he wouldn't budge. I left, explaining that I won't pay an unreasonable price. Minutes after I left, the sales manager called to ask how he could get me in a vehicle immediately. I guess they were confused since they didn't now what vehicle I even wanted. Stick shift model had not arrived yet. I explained that I would love to purchase the car, but I wouldn't pay a penny of a markup for a Scion. He said he would check with his boss and call me back... which he never did. I went to Sun Toyota (which has no dealer fee or markups) and bought one the very next day. When Bruno texted me a few days later to say that "my FR-S had arrived" it wasn't the color he said it would be, who knows what else they are pulling over there. Bruno seemed like a nice enough guy, but I explained that I would go somewhere that would treat me right, and was upfront sharing that I saved about $7,000 out the door by going somewhere else. NOTE: I just followed up on a complaint I had emailed Scion Corporate. They told me to call them. On the phone they explained that with Pure Price, the dealer can choose to markup any vehicle. The only thing they can't do is "advertise a specific VIN" with the wrong price. They can say "Scion FR-S at $25,500" and have a markup on it, but if they advertise the VIN, it's another story. I explained that it doesn't look good to do so and the guy on the phone was upfront saying how word of mouth (through forums like this I'm sure) is showing those dealers who don't play nice that customers will go elsewhere. So that was my experience with Toyota/Scion of Tampa Bay. I won't be going there again, and I recommend you don't either! |
Dealership Name: Hollywood Scion
State: FL City: Hollywood Brand: Scion Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: 6 Details of your experience with the dealership: They claimed to have 6, but only had one to be seen out, I did see another one in the garage though. However, they slapped some wheels on it and marked it up 5 grand. Total was 31k+ |
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What a crock of Sh*t, so as long as the dealer does not list the VIN, they can false advertise. Sorry but Scion is crap and Pure Price is a gimmick to take advantage of prople. Wonder how many Scion dealers are advertising FRS with a VIN#? My guess .... Little to none as this always gives them an out. Pure BS. :mad0259: |
Dealership Name: Scion of Cool Springs
State: TN City: Cool Springs, between Nashville & Franklin Brand: Scion Salesman to talk to: N/A Reference desired: None Allocation left? If so, how many as far as you know: Didn't ask. Details of your experience with the dealership: Stopped by to look at the Whiteout Auto FRS on the lot. Noticed the following markups:
Asked if they had sold many cars -- salesman said "We've sold three and they all had the same $4k market adjustment. Well one of them we cut in half after some negotiation." Asked if I could order a particular color & gearbox -- salesman said "Scion does not let us order cars. They decide what to send us and we have no control over it." Asked about trade-in process and if they would honor MSRP -- salesman left and talked to his manager, came back and told me, "Would you pay half [of the $4k markup]? We don't make much on these cars to begin with. If it sells at MSRP I only get $150 in my pocket. When we have a car you want, we can talk." Salesman volunteered that the car already earned a speeding ticket (and a citation for the driver having an expired license) and the rest of our brief conversation was typical salesman bullshit. He told me nothing about the car, a lot about why the $4k markup is justified (:lol:), and ultimately the whole experience pretty much reminded me why I hate going to dealerships. Cliff's Notes: This dealership is selling their FRS for $31k. No thanks. :cool: |
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