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Visconti 06-02-2012 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast (Post 237529)
I have a noob question. I have no experience with ECU tuning, and I'm curious what it really is. Altering timing? fuel? Tricking the air flow sensors? Etc etc... I really don't know. Is it safe? Will it screw me when I'm due for an emissions test? Can someone enlighten me.

Oh and BTW, can someone tell me where the carburetor is on the FR-S, I can't see it in any of the engine bay pics.

Thanks


Normally when there is no ecu tuning solution people will normally trick the computer by wiring in resisters in airflow meters etc etc.

In this case EcuTek is able to change factory maps in the car computer allowing a tuner to make adjustments - for performance or economy.

EcuTek has plans on setting up non-factory maps in the ECU that will allow correct fuel adjustments for turbo / supercharger kits.

Emissions - well that all depends on what you guys do with the exhaust system. If you remove the cat or cats you will run into problems passing emissions - but other than that a simple performance tune won't effect that.

-John

Primo86 06-03-2012 12:59 AM

ECU tuning is great, it gives the end user the chance to custom the engine to their needs a bit more... say you bought this car and wanted to keep it looking stock with only a few air-flow mods- lighter/ less restrictive exhaust, headers, performance intake, and maybe a port and polish. Program these mods into the ECU along with maps removing some eco settings, and boom- your engine runs much more efficiently with the added hardware, and you get the proper amount of power out of the parts. Say a more advanced guy gets a port + polish, multi-angle valve job, and a supercharger kit on top of those other mods (injectors, FPR + rail, fuel pump, ARP studs, cometic gasket, etc.) At this point, tuning the ECU (or replacing it) is really not an option. you can tune in all of your standard mods, while changing the maps for much different fuel flow and air flow... it gets more complex as you go, but from a basic stand point- with say an intake, you are tuning that in, but also tuning out some of the factory's eco settings.

Visconti 06-04-2012 09:30 PM

Just got a ride in the BRZ today - wow what a awesome car!!!

Symbiont 06-04-2012 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John@TheShopCT (Post 241101)
Just got a ride in the BRZ today - wow what a awesome car!!!

Yes, yes it is.

JiB 06-05-2012 12:10 AM

Im excited to pick up my 86! this forum isnt helping either :D
Looking forward to this product too, dont think i will be supercharging this (atleast not untill warranty is over) but i will definately be doing an exhaust & intake.

Visconti 06-05-2012 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiB (Post 241370)
Im excited to pick up my 86! this forum isnt helping either :D
Looking forward to this product too, dont think i will be supercharging this (atleast not untill warranty is over) but i will definately be doing an exhaust & intake.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkJ8QMAn5DA"]Short Subaru BRZ video - YouTube[/ame]

himbo 06-05-2012 12:16 AM

Is that a tuned BRZ? How robust do you think the head/valvetrain and bottom end is to support a higher redline (say 8k-8.5k rpm)?

Visconti 06-05-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by himbo (Post 241386)
Is that a tuned BRZ? How robust do you think the head/valvetrain and bottom end is to support a higher redline (say 8k-8.5k rpm)?

Not yet - went for a test drive and a rom dump...

EcuFlash wouldn't dump it..

EcuTek had no problems ;)

JiB 06-05-2012 01:45 AM

cool, whats a rom dump?

Hawaiian 06-05-2012 02:38 AM

A little computer knowledge for you. There are 2 types of memory Random Access Memory (RAM) and Read-Only Memory (ROM). Ram is volitile and used to store constantly changing information. It also gets erased once current is no longer going to it.

ROM on the other hand is very stable and very difficult to put data on to. It doesn't need constant power to maintain it's information either. Think an old Nintendo game.

Some companies offer a piggyback that will alter data leaving the rom chip, while others like cobb and ecutek will offer a more permanent solution. It does however take a lot of time and research to crack the "chip" and figure out what information is stored where, as well as what is safe to alter without destroying everything.

ESBjiujitsu 06-05-2012 09:08 AM

cant wait to see the tuning options! :happy0180: What a tease video!!!!

Andrew@PTUNING 06-05-2012 10:42 AM

John,

What is the best way to get into contact with EcuTek? There website has no optional USA contact.

Thanks Drew.

86purity 06-05-2012 12:13 PM

I know that Vishnu Tuning has used EcuTek for tuning WRX's and Evo's for years now and they get some pretty impressive results! This is great news! It also shows that the ECU of the 86 twins is tuneable! We'll see many more tuning options in the future!

Boosted2.0 06-05-2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew@PTUNING (Post 241972)
John,

What is the best way to get into contact with EcuTek? There website has no optional USA contact.

Thanks Drew.

Email but they are closed till Wednesday. Great minds think alike? ;)

Andrew@PTUNING 06-05-2012 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0 (Post 242168)
Email but they are closed till Wednesday. Great minds think alike? ;)

Can I get their email address from you. please and thanks.

86design 06-05-2012 01:50 PM

i use to have EcuTek on my Evo 10 wow!! what a difference I was going to with Cobb but my tuning guy said to go with EcuTek for better results...not saying anything bad about Cobb...but just you could get better results out of EcuTek then the other brands..

xwd 06-05-2012 02:15 PM

Cobb and EcuTek are tuning software which do the exact same thing, the results are going to come from the tuner who is tuning the CPU.

Good to hear folks are making progress on the ECU.

You can tune almost any setup with an ECU reflash, big or small.

Drift-Office 06-05-2012 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0 (Post 242168)
Email but they are closed till Wednesday. Great minds think alike? ;)

From ECUTek today...


"Hello Bob

We are currently developing the 86/BRZ/FR-S product at present, it should be available in the next few weeks.
90% of the product is complete, just a few final bits so we can release the product.,
We will email details when its release is announced.

Best regards
Mervyn Carroll"


FYI!



vividracingcom 06-05-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx (Post 242331)
Cobb and EcuTek are tuning software which do the exact same thing, the results are going to come from the tuner who is tuning the CPU.

Good to hear folks are making progress on the ECU.

You can tune almost any setup with an ECU reflash, big or small.


Not neccesarily. For example, EcuTek had speed density tuning long before Cobb did. EcuTek also has better launch control on the GTRs. They've both for their pros/cons.

Boosted2.0 06-05-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virtual_bob (Post 242436)

From ECUTek today...

"Hello Bob

We are currently developing the 86/BRZ/FR-S product at present, it should be available in the next few weeks.
90% of the product is complete, just a few final bits so we can release the product.,
We will email details when its release is announced.

Best regards
Mervyn Carroll"


FYI!



Yeah - they responded to e-mails from me this weekend, but said they were closed till Wed. and please contact then with regards to getting set up as a dealer etc.

Boosted2.0 06-05-2012 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew@PTUNING (Post 242233)
Can I get their email address from you. please and thanks.

I just got it off their website.

Tainen 06-05-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virtual_bob (Post 242436)

From ECUTek today...

"Hello Bob

We are currently developing the 86/BRZ/FR-S product at present, it should be available in the next few weeks.
90% of the product is complete, just a few final bits so we can release the product.,
We will email details when its release is announced.

Best regards
Mervyn Carroll"


FYI!




Epic information. Are you a licensed EcuTEK dealer already? I wouldn't be surprised if you tuned your FR-S before anyone else...

Visconti 06-05-2012 08:08 PM

I just got off the phone with P & L and they are ready to purchase the software as well :)

But yeah - EcuTek doesn't have a USA guy anymore.

When Tactrix starting selling stuff there was no longer a market for EcuTek in the USA... so no more USA guy.

Emailing sales@ecutek.com is the best thing to do. Chris or Merv will get back to you shortly.

They'll be open tomorrow so hopefully if you didn't get already get a response you'll get one soon.



Quote:

Originally Posted by 86design (Post 242266)
i use to have EcuTek on my Evo 10 wow!! what a difference I was going to with Cobb but my tuning guy said to go with EcuTek for better results...not saying anything bad about Cobb...but just you could get better results out of EcuTek then the other brands..

Some of the real open source guys were hired by Cobb to fix things.

Bill from RomRaider works for cobb full time, and David (Tephra Mod) I believe works by contract with Cobb...

So all the EvoX (and subaru) stuff now is really really nice - They're off the shelf maps are simply awesome (evox)

But this took years to happen - EcuTek was the first to support the EvoX.

EcuTek is normally the first to release things... They could have been first with the GTR, but were concerned with certain things so they went back to R & D. It appears this has really payed off for them.

Basically if you come across two different software tuning options that are equal in capabilities then results are really up to the tuner.

But I'm glad your happy with your car - because that's all that really matters ;)

-John

GrimmSpeed 06-05-2012 08:19 PM

Very cool to hear guys. Just sent a message to DB Performance...crossing fingers they will pick it up asap!

Justin

Visconti 06-06-2012 04:17 AM

Looks like Crawford got their hands on the EcuTek BRZ software!

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z.../BRZEcuTek.jpg

Scooby South 06-06-2012 07:29 AM

Done

Bill

nix 06-06-2012 08:20 AM

Looks a lot smoother map already.

Visconti 06-06-2012 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby South (Post 243980)
Although I commend Ecutek for being the First to market..I have some reserve about how honest this company truly is...

Sooo Let me get this straight... You guys and Crawford are now the US distributor...they must have made you guys one Sweetheart deal..Is it 'Brian' from ECUTEK up in Canada still the go-to guy???

-They must have waived the 10k Buyin and promised more Profit margin.
-Shady Shenanigans from before make me EXTREMELY Leary..
-Promise of Better software...more user friendly interface..
-no-more Repurchasing licenses just for a re-tune????
-Is there 'now' a wide band interface??
-Speed Density???
-Will it still lock the ECU after so many tunes????

Go ahead...tell us .... BTW if you havn't figured it out...Not a nOOb here..

Bill

If you read even half a page of this thread you wouldn't be asking me any of these dumb questions. Becoming a troll will probably end up with the mods coming in here.

Good luck to you

John

Scooby South 06-06-2012 09:30 AM

Done...

Bill

Visconti 06-06-2012 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby South (Post 244096)
And to you...Look its nothing personal toward you...Having been a vendor for this company in the past....I lost customers because all the BS they did... Troll??? Thats Rich..LOL.. Anyways...I felt those were legitimate questions that, before I purchase would need to be answered...No worries.... Good Luck

Bill

I want people to ask questions...

But you come in here and continue to say the same negative stuff over and over again when I've already CLEARLY answered all your concerns.

If you truly are being genuine then please take 5 minutes of your life and read the entire thread. I'm pretty clear with what's going on.


On a side note if PROTUNERs are looking to purchase the ecutek software you can PM me or email me and I'll help get the order rolling for you.

Thanks

John

slow_frs 06-06-2012 10:57 AM

So wait we order the software, and then how do we connect to the obs1 do we have to buy a tectrix

Visconti 06-06-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slow_frs (Post 244224)
So wait we order the software, and then how do we connect to the obs1 do we have to buy a tectrix

No it's software / cable package.

EcuTek has their own cable that comes with the software .

John

Drift-Office 06-06-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John@TheShopCT (Post 244209)
On a side note if PROTUNERs are looking to purchase the ecutek software you can PM me or email me and I'll help get the order rolling for you.

Thanks

John


PM Sent...

djliquidsteele 06-06-2012 03:04 PM

Just so I have this straight, as a consumer, I don't need to purchase any kind of cable or software if I don't want to do the tuning myself? Basically I am looking for a tuner who uses ECUTek and they will charge me whatever they choose to do a tune?

Visconti 06-06-2012 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djliquidsteele (Post 244707)
Just so I have this straight, as a consumer, I don't need to purchase any kind of cable or software if I don't want to do the tuning myself? Basically I am looking for a tuner who uses ECUTek and they will charge me whatever they choose to do a tune?

Well you'll soon have a few different options.

Currently were setting up EcuTek BRZ ProTuners across the country.

I'll let everyone know when the dealer list is updated on EcuTek's website.

Once the dealers are setup you'll be able to vist them in person and get a tune or purchase a cable and get a etune from them.

Currently the software is only PC based.

This is what it looks like

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...h/cf4cb127.jpg

-John

bimmerboy 06-06-2012 03:37 PM

Guys relax- in 3 months there will be MULTIPLE tuning solutions for this platform...

Lets give EcuTek a fresh chance as this is a new platform with some new hardware/software..

@theshop- Part of getting people to be more open-minded about EcuTek is to perhaps admit at all the mishaps that happened in the past and learn from them, rather than throwing them under the mat like they never happened... Maybe even learn from vividracing and what they have done to do a 180 on their PR.

My $.02

Dimman 06-06-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmerboy (Post 244768)
Guys relax- in 3 months there will be MULTIPLE tuning solutions for this platform...

Lets give EcuTek a fresh chance as this is a new platform with some new hardware/software..

@theshop- Part of getting people to be more open-minded about EcuTek is to perhaps admit at all the mishaps that happened in the past and learn from them, rather than throwing them under the mat like they never happened... Maybe even learn from vividracing and what they have done to do a 180 on their PR.

My $.02

By reporting every mention of their terrible past for deletion? They are doing a far more aggressive job at hiding their past than this...

Visconti 06-06-2012 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmerboy (Post 244768)
Guys relax- in 3 months there will be MULTIPLE tuning solutions for this platform...

Lets give EcuTek a fresh chance as this is a new platform with some new hardware/software..

@theshop- Part of getting people to be more open-minded about EcuTek is to perhaps admit at all the mishaps that happened in the past and learn from them, rather than throwing them under the mat like they never happened... Maybe even learn from vividracing and what they have done to do a 180 on their PR.

My $.02

I would love to see "MULTIPLE tuning solutions for this platform".

Standalone or piggy computers will come and go but the factory ecu is the way to go.

As your know competition normally works in favor of the consumer!

-John

Boosted2.0 06-06-2012 05:09 PM

I have been e-mailing John and PMing him and he's been very responsive.

John - Just to be clear, which of the following does ECUTEK give full or partial control over?:

Port Injector mapping
Direct Injector mapping
ignition mapping
Target A/F mapping
VVT mapping (all 4 cams)
Knock response mapping
DTCs
Traction control

Visconti 06-06-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0 (Post 244990)
I have been e-mailing John and PMing him and he's been very responsive.

John - Just to be clear, which of the following does ECUTEK give full or partial control over?:

Port Injector mapping
Direct Injector mapping
ignition mapping
Target A/F mapping
VVT mapping (all 4 cams)
Knock response mapping
DTCs
Traction control

Good Question.

Let me find out exactly what EcuTek has done so far.

-John


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