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Dimman 06-21-2012 06:22 PM

How are the AVCS controlled? Is it just based on RPM, or RPM and load?

jedibow 06-21-2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben@lachute (Post 271166)
This is a stock timing map, but there is more than one...

I am working on understanding which one is used and when!

Ben

Remember this car utilizes variable timing, so ofcourse there will be more than one timing map, if I had to guess I would state three, with the actual timing being an interpolation between two maps at a time depending on driving conditions.

uspspro 06-21-2012 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jedibow (Post 271394)
Remember this car utilizes variable timing, so ofcourse there will be more than one timing map, if I had to guess I would state three, with the actual timing being an interpolation between two maps at a time depending on driving conditions.

He's talking about ignition timing.

serialk11r 06-21-2012 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 271247)
How are the AVCS controlled? Is it just based on RPM, or RPM and load?

Both, just think about it. Low load (high manifold vacuum) + overlap = tons of misfires.

arghx7 06-21-2012 08:53 PM

It's Subaru software so it is likely an evolution of what you find on say the current software for say an STi. Oversimplifying: there is a basic timing map, and then a map with additional degrees that can be added on top based on a multiplier. The mulitplier is based on long term learning of short term knock sensor activity.

The timing dip is there for a reason, but expecting a bunch of timing advance to add extra torque there safely may be wishful thinking.

Any word on the injection timing logic or the tip-in/wall wetting correction?

jedibow 06-21-2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by uspspro (Post 271400)
He's talking about ignition timing.

So am I, there are multiple ignition timing maps

Visconti 06-22-2012 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by arghx7 (Post 271483)
It's Subaru software so it is likely an evolution of what you find on say the current software for say an STi. Oversimplifying: there is a basic timing map, and then a map with additional degrees that can be added on top based on a multiplier. The mulitplier is based on long term learning of short term knock sensor activity.

The timing dip is there for a reason, but expecting a bunch of timing advance to add extra torque there safely may be wishful thinking.

Any word on the injection timing logic or the tip-in/wall wetting correction?

Bird is the word

Ben@lachute 06-22-2012 09:19 AM

:clap:Word

Back on the dyno this morning!

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Illusive 06-22-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tainen (Post 271174)
so the stock map is the one pulling timing and potentially CREATING the evil torque valley. So if we adjust the timing out, the valley probably, or mostly, goes away.

On the contrary, the timing map posted, has the stock tune utilizing more timing in the torque dip.

It seems the engineer's tried to lessen the dip with more ignition timing in the dip, and less timing before and after.

Visconti 06-24-2012 03:34 AM

There are a bunch of different timing maps in the ECU

It's only a matter of time before someone posts a dynosheet with-out that nasty dip.

-John

R/TErnie 06-26-2012 03:02 AM

John,
You said that the Pro tuner will be available before the regular end user software? When will the pro tuner software be available? ETA?

I know Hydra is very close to coming up with a solution...

Visconti 06-26-2012 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by R/TErnie (Post 279045)
John,
You said that the Pro tuner will be available before the regular end user software? When will the pro tuner software be available? ETA?

I know Hydra is very close to coming up with a solution...

I hope Phil stepped up his game on the hydras. Back in the day the AVCS maps were password protected because no one knew how they worked.

No tuning was done today - but the boys at ecutek were working on some datalog going stuff.

We have very close. When I start posting up my own results you can bet it'll be soon.

Hoping this week.

John

R/TErnie 06-26-2012 03:19 AM

I've worked on a 2004 WRX with an Ecutek and it was atrocious. Hopefully things have changed since then...as I assume they have... and as you have stated. None-the-less I'm more than a bit cautious.

The Hydra I tuned on an 04STi had some quirks, but the software was functional and intuitive. I really don't like it compared to other ECU's I've tuned, but again... maybe their datalogging sw and tuning sw has changed since then.

I'm interested in the ability to control both the intake and exhaust cams with several additional I/O's... PWM drivers, Digital Inputs (read frequency), as well as a low side drivers. Will the ECU have the ability to PIN/ define in the sw the unused sockets for this purpose?

John,
Are you still affiliated with "The Shop"? I'm not sure of the relationship there and it's not stated in your sig.

Thanks for the response


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