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Drakelee117 09-16-2014 11:54 AM

Need a plan for an SC mod? Details inside
 
So I've been doing some research, and I decided that I am getting an SC mod at the end of this year. Here are my goals and I could really use some suggestions.
Budget:under 6K in total, tax, shipping, installing etc.

Now: Stock 2015 limited BRZ, 6MT
Goal 260 WHP, the more the merrier as long as it's under the budget and reliable.
I am thinking about a supercharger kits probably vortech, performance wheels and tires for now. I don't know much about the clutch or pulleys, but if it meets my need, why not?
No suspension or exhaust unless it's absolutely necessary. I am concerned about the legal issues with emission and noise. Also I like the way the suspension feels right now, I don't want a super modified street racer.

To sum up, four basic principles, reliable, legal, under the budget and not too flamboyant. I am sure which brands to choose except for the SC, so anything would be helpful.

Tye300 09-16-2014 12:06 PM

So far I'm having a great time with the vortech kit. No problems whatsoever yet. I'm making 270whp with the stock pulley and fuel system. I do have full exhaust mods though, so 260whp with the stock exhaust system would be doable for sure.
If you are doing the install, you could make budget.

s2d4 09-16-2014 12:12 PM

Area under the curve.

Jyn 09-16-2014 12:13 PM

For $6K USD, you're either a) going to do the install yourself or b) find a used kit.

Good luck though. Don't be discouraged, and the best recommendation is, although you budget $6K, have $8K ready.

tahdizzle 09-16-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jyn (Post 1948776)
For $6K USD, you're either a) going to do the install yourself or b) find a used kit.

Good luck though. Don't be discouraged, and the best recommendation is, although you budget $6K, have $8K ready.


4600 for a shipped SC, and @ 80 an hour for an 8 hour job is still under 6k.

Even at 170 an hour you are still under 6k

Jyn 09-16-2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 1948787)
4600 for a shipped SC, and @ 80 an hour for an 8 hour job is still under 6k.

Even at 170 an hour you are still under 6k

From installs and experiences first-hand and that I've read in the past, I've become a bit of a pessimistic estimator. :iono: You're right though, it's definitely possible to come in at the 6K mark.

tahdizzle 09-16-2014 12:45 PM

If its not his main source of transportation, then a self install would be the way to go anyway. in my opinion.

FR-S Matt 09-16-2014 12:54 PM

Realistically if you do your own work, you can have a full Kraftwerks kit for a hair under $4000 and that does include an oil cooler.

If you want to do it right though:

Oil Cooler
Catch Cans
Radiator

Those 3 are what I think should be required for any FI build regardless of what you use the car for in that order. ~$1100 for those parts. I'm talking about dual catch cans as well in that price.

Tuning is the other part that has to be taken care of which involves a license, cable if you want your own, and tuning time. All that together is probably about 800-900 depending on who you use.

If you can manage to squeeze all that in and do things yourself outside of the tuning, you will be around your 6k budget. The install itself will almost be $1000 if you have someone do it, but SC's are cake to install compared to turbos.

Decay107 09-16-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 1948839)
Realistically if you do your own work, you can have a full Kraftwerks kit for a hair under $4000 and that does include an oil cooler.

If you want to do it right though:

Oil Cooler
Catch Cans
Radiator

Those 3 are what I think should be required for any FI build regardless of what you use the car for in that order. ~$1100 for those parts. I'm talking about dual catch cans as well in that price.

Tuning is the other part that has to be taken care of which involves a license, cable if you want your own, and tuning time. All that together is probably about 800-900 depending on who you use.

If you can manage to squeeze all that in and do things yourself outside of the tuning, you will be around your 6k budget. The install itself will almost be $1000 if you have someone do it, but SC's are cake to install compared to turbos.

I think the radiator really depends on location, of all the FI guys around here (many of whom track their cars) only one has an aftermarket radiator. No one has any problems with overheating.

FR-S Matt 09-16-2014 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decay107 (Post 1948860)
I think the radiator really depends on location, of all the FI guys around here (many of whom track their cars) only one has an aftermarket radiator. No one has any problems with overheating.

It's very low priority as the stock cooling system is actually really decent. I see 103 degree temps every summer, so I just budgeted it in.

I think the aftermarket fans are actually more beneficial in situations like traffic. I'll probably invest in the FBM fan shroud for my Mishimoto radiator.

@Dezoris also tested aftermarket radiator cooling on the track and the most noticeable difference was the rate at which the temps recovered, which was faster, not necessarily cooler running.

JoonPrime 09-16-2014 01:50 PM

ive been doing my research like you, deciding what to go with and i can tell you with (i think) confidence that unless youre installing on your own, you wont meet a budget of under $6000.... ive got 2 local shops im looking at (one on this forum) to get my stuff done, but regardless of who i go with, i think im looking at 7-8.5k because of installation :O

im just not tech savvy/brave enough to attempt on my own...and unless youve got an excellent friend/dad i wouldnt try either. no point in blowing up your first car cuz you accidently put wire b on a or something ...

tl;dr, i really like phantom and jackracing numbers. personally as a daily driver with no intent of tracking every single weekend, i found them more then suitable and easily managed, at least what ive read. but let me know what u go with! i like hearing as many testimonies as possible!

FR-S Matt 09-16-2014 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoonPrime (Post 1948920)
ive been doing my research like you, deciding what to go with and i can tell you with (i think) confidence that unless youre installing on your own, you wont meet a budget of under $6000.... ive got 2 local shops im looking at (one on this forum) to get my stuff done, but regardless of who i go with, i think im looking at 7-8.5k because of installation :O

im just not tech savvy/brave enough to attempt on my own...and unless youve got an excellent friend/dad i wouldnt try either. no point in blowing up your first car cuz you accidently put wire b on a or something ...

tl;dr, i really like phantom and jackracing numbers. personally as a daily driver with no intent of tracking every single weekend, i found them more then suitable and easily managed, at least what ive read. but let me know what u go with! i like hearing as many testimonies as possible!

Vortech is a much more difficult install as it requires some shaving down near the A/C compressor. I've read through the manual and that kind of turned me away from the kit. It still is a great kit though.

The Rotrex kits though are super super easy to install. With basic mechanical skill and tools, you can have this installed yourself. The most important part for Rotrex is priming the charger and ensuring no oil leaks. Once you've covered your grounds on that, smooth sailings. :thumbsup:

tahdizzle 09-16-2014 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoonPrime (Post 1948920)
ive been doing my research like you, deciding what to go with and i can tell you with (i think) confidence that unless youre installing on your own, you wont meet a budget of under $6000.... ive got 2 local shops im looking at (one on this forum) to get my stuff done, but regardless of who i go with, i think im looking at 7-8.5k because of installation :O

im just not tech savvy/brave enough to attempt on my own...and unless youve got an excellent friend/dad i wouldnt try either. no point in blowing up your first car cuz you accidently put wire b on a or something ...

tl;dr, i really like phantom and jackracing numbers. personally as a daily driver with no intent of tracking every single weekend, i found them more then suitable and easily managed, at least what ive read. but let me know what u go with! i like hearing as many testimonies as possible!

I have no idea how you even figure 8k for a supercharger and installation. Unless they are charging you 3k for installation. If that is the case then you fail as a consumer.

xwd 09-16-2014 02:04 PM

Definitely go with one of the Rotrex kits. Vortech is pretty poor under the curve, it's like using a really laggy turbo.


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