Your FR-S has 4 seats? Mine came with two seats and two insurance reducers.

The only reason I got the BRZ instead of an s2000 was the back seats.

16's!!! It comes with 16" wheels standard...strange but that alone seems like a good indication to me that this will be a good driver's car. Mazda could have easily gone to bigger wheels and even a bigger car overall like how every single manufacturer does but they didn't.

I'm all for this iteration. I can see myself buying one but I cannot see myself getting rid of my BRZ....too many cars and not enough time.

I don't own a Scion, so leave that shit outside. I'm not sure why you think it would make sense for me to appreciate a Mazda because I drive a Subaru, or that I would appreciate a goofy-looking sports car because I drive a good-looking sports car.

What would make me appreciate the car is its handling characteristics, IF it turns out to be any good. But since it's not available for any of us to drive, I'm not sure why you think I should appreciate handling characteristics that don't exist yet.

All we have to go on is pictures and some vague stats that may or may not be real. And that front end is almost as goofy-looking as a Fisker. It's like this car is the Fisker's goofy stoned younger cousin.

http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/fi..._52113_600.jpg
"I say, looking good there old chap!"

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...1yksumzxdg.jpg
"Dude, what?"

aside from that mustache on the fisker, the rest of the body is great.

i've driven a karma and it drove great with its 900+ lb torque! i loved it. too bad it's gone now...

I remembered the statements about less power, smaller displacement. I also remember the statements about the next Mazdaspeed3 being NA.

I finally found my source for what I'd been talking about. It's hearsay, but I'll post it anyway since I'd been mentioning it: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...-mx-5-revealed

Either way, one of the test mules looked to have the 1.4 turbo out of the 500 Abarth in there, which I had posted earlier. 250 horsepower out of that engine isn't unheard of. Definitely pushing the limits, but 200 is just a piggyback/tune away for the most part.

Surprised there aren't more comments about the tires being 195 width considering how every auto-journalist in the world wouldn't shut the fuck up about the Toyobaru's " skinny little prius tires" at 215 width...

As for engine I'm banking on a retuned version of the 2.0L currently in the lineup, should be able to touch 170 with a small sacrifice to fuel economy. I'm with n20, I remember persistent rumors that they'll match the current output while delivering a more efficient engine, remember the NC only delivers 23 mpg mixed with the AT, that's in a car a couple hundred pounds lighter than the Toyobaru, with a smaller hole to punch through the air.

Edit: I'll bet cash money that the 1.4L multi-air will be on this chassis when Fiat feels like making a goddamn decision and putting out the spyder, I don't think Mazda will do it though, too much invested in SkyActiv to just hand over the beating heart of their halo car to the Italians.

I don't know that it was 215 that was the focus, so much as the word Prius.

The original Miata's taillights were a pretty great and original design, they have actually been displayed at the Museum of Modern Art in NYC! They don't look terribly much like the Elan's tails.
http://powerflexusa.com/images/sub%2...azda_miata.jpg
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...n-9_600x0w.jpg

I appreciate the car, as I have all Miatas, without liking it or wanting to own one. Same as I can appreciate a Veyron, or a H1 Hummer, but I wouldn't want to own one.As I said above, I know I'm in the minority opinion not liking either the looks or the way it drives. Not my style/preferences.


Admittedly I don't have an interest in the Miata or the 86 as a track car, so maybe that plays into it.

Your attitude doesn't make sense for a few reasons:

1. You drive the outcast Subaru.... The Subaru that Subaru doesn't care about and would never make if it wasn't for Toyota.

2. Many people like the looks of this new Miata, and it is hands-down better looking than any Subaru other than the BRZ, while simultaneously probably being even more driver-oriented.

I think the mouth/grill is a little unattractive, but overall it's a very attractive car. Many people love the looks of the S2000, and this looks similar, but even more modern.

Funny that a BRZ owner would say the front end is goofy looking, when I've seen countless comments that the front of the new MX5 "looks like a BRZ."

Okay, this car has my interest. However, anyone else feel that the rear should be redesigned? I particularly feel the taillights look off and should be more rectangular...

On the contrary, it makes perfect sense for exactly the reasons you posted:

And yet it still has nothing to do with a Mazda, so there's still no reason I should have some unfounded appreciation for an MX5 that isn't on the market yet.

Let's take this next one in pieces:

Many people also like fecal porn. That does not mean that because I enjoy sex, I should appreciate fecal porn.

Whether it looks better than other Subarus is irrelevant and even bolsters my point. I appreciate the BRZ for its handling characteristics and styling. Not being a fanboi, I don't care about other Subarus, Toyotas or Scions and care even less about a completely unrelated car from Mazda. You haven't articulated any legitimate reason why I should have an appreciation for the Mazda just because I drive a BRZ.

Probably? LOL. So you think I should appreciate a car that doesn't exist yet for how it might handle, just based on Mazda's marketing?

"Oooh! Aaah! What great imaginary engineering! What great imaginary handling! This is the best imaginary car I've never driven!"

I'm pretty sure the width was definitely a talking point at the time...

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/f...dont-know.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

http://www.topgear.com/uk/toyota/gt-86/verdict

The rear, particularly down by the reverse lamps looks odd...

Jaguar can release specs on a car during a reveal with terrible nostalgia crammed in it, Mazda can't? Considering it won't hit shores in the US for another 2 years it's not like they're on a shorter timeline...

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/08/2...otos-official/

http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-jaguar-...nds-1632095176

I missed the new Jag somehow today. Love it. Now I have to convince my wife she'd rather have that than the Camry. :D

I liked the mazda reveal, just hated how they showed it only from one angle for like a half hour. I will wait for the specs to come out, keeps things interesting, and obviously gets people talking about it (like a iphone 6). Getting everything on day one is like getting a movie trailer 2 years before the movie comes out. I bet 2 years from now when the jag comes, half the people are gonna be like 'meh' and the other half are gonna think, wasn't that released 2 years ago lol?

I imagine this would be because we've come to expect Miata's to focus on low weight/low power/high steering feel. So it's not a surprise that it comes with skinny tires, as usual. The Toyobaru's were brand new cars so speculation was abound regarding the engine and power output (Subaru engine, and we know Subaru's performance cars are all turbocharged). So I guess the tire size was a clue in as to the engine output for the Toyobaru. Not so much for the Miata, which we know won't have much power.

Good:

• Weight loss
• Improved engine (output, efficiency)
• Looks amazing (the prettiest Miata yet)
• No more silly fake dual exhaust

Bad:

• Swept back windshield (less open feel)
• Doors tall like NC (less open feel than NA/NB)

Speculation:

• ~2350 pounds for US-spec 2L 6MT (if the 100 kg reduction is from comparing 1.8L NC and 1.5L ND variants... for reference, US-spec 6MT NC starts at 2511)
• Expectation/rumor is 170-180 HP for the 2L (photos show ~7200-7500 RPM redline, though it's unknown if that's the 1.5L or 2L)

I love my BRZ, and the Miata is even better in most ways. I'll get an ND in 6 years (when I no longer need 3+ seats).

If I'm too broke to get the new S2K, I will get this for sure, or another 86... ?

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It looks more sporty this time!

I really am digging the new design. Really wish they would use the little 1.5L turbo from the fiat 500 car but this car is not about power. But out in sun crusing and haven a good time

Can't wait! Exciting times!

Would an LS motor fit :) Sad that they can't produce an engine that is 200+ HP for the light weight...would sell more than the sky active philosophy of less is more... yes less is more in the right places... more is more in the right places too. I suspect because they made it so light...they had to use lightweight drive train and not beefy enough to handle the abuse and power.

Probably, part of Skyactiv is a large tuned exhaust so there's probably a fair amount of space between the wheels.

The brz/frs doesn't even make +200hp and it weighs 500lbs more.

???? bad humor? Stock is 200 hp... or I don't get your joke

When I see +200, I think over two hundred. The frs is hugging that 200 line pretty close.

I don't really see the point...


BRZ: 2762/200 = 13.81
Miata: 2250/130 = 17.30


Power to weight is still shit if the numbers are true for the amount of power the Miata will have and I'm betting the weight is a low estimate...

the 130 hp engine will be overseas market only, not for sale in US. Mazda has done this for many years on the Miata engine. Two options, but the lower hp one not in the US. Change your 130 number to 180hp and suddenly things look a lot better for the new Miata.

Lol, dream on. If it ever comes with 180hp it'll be another 3-4 years at least. More like 150-160 to start or after a year.

I'll reserve judgement until third parties produce actual curb weights and not magical factory dry weights like Alfa and Corvette.

Mazda designers have already said that the US market will not accept less power in the new MX-5 so while 180 might be a stretch I fully expect it will be 170HP at 2260lbs. 13.29 lb/hp will be competitive in this niche.

We'll see. Very soon. The regular Skyactiv 2.0L makes 155 hp right now, it is supposed to be warmed over for the Miata, so I'd expect at least 170-175 hp, if not 180.

Which designers? Are they different than these designers?

"We will be able to use a smaller, less powerful, more fuel-efficient engine because we will have shaved so much off the current car’s curb weight," insisted one engineer at the launch in Tokyo on September 4.

Our source also said the first all-new MX-5 chassis since the original (the second-generation MX-5 was based largely on the first, while the third shared its roots with the RX-8) will bring vastly improved dynamics.

The first rear-drive application of Mazda's latest SKYACTIV chassis, which could also underpin other models including the long-rumored 2017 RX-7, is not only smaller but carries revised suspension and, for the first time in an MX-5, electric power steering.

“A repositioned drivetrain will deliver better weight balance and improved handling dynamics, giving you a better driving experience. And believe me, you will not notice the drop in power from the current version.”

http://wot.motortrend.com/1409_2016_..._revealed.html

That same article you are quoting...

It also says...

"U.S. specs are yet to be announced"

This is the European engine that they are talking about.

A lot of cars have a down-rated engine for Europe due to the $8 a gallon (they pay by the liter) and the taxes on engine displacement.

The new Miata will be hovering around 175hp

Will the new Miata be a fire-breathing monster? Of course not.

But it will also improve on the performance of the NC Miata.

There have been multiple sources about the Miata before it was ever announced. A few of the people on Miata.net who were correct in predicting all the other things (curb weight and release date) seem to be claiming 175hp. There may be an option for different fuels (regular vs premium).

Obviously US specs haven't been released yet, that's why the confusion ranging from 130-180hp. Do we even know that claimed weight is curb weight and not dry weight that will make it to the US? My guess was around 150-160hp if you read my posts. Not 130hp or 180hp which seems too aggressive given the sentiment presented by the 'designers' comfort with having less power than the current model due to reduced mass. I can buy the idea of 170hp, not 180hp for the first year.

But I still haven't seen anything to support that from the actual designers cited. That's why I asked...