Originally Posted by Entroper (Post 2226679)

They look like 86 prices to me. :iono:

Originally Posted by Entroper (Post 2226679)

They look like 86 prices to me. :iono:

Originally Posted by Sigh-on-Rice (Post 2227519)

Ya, but if you compare base vs base with similar price, it's like FR-S without LSD and with 16" rims...., and with Corolla engine. If FR-S was like that too, I would say FR-S is pricey too.

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2227426)

Except you don't have to pay 3k more for a LSD.

Originally Posted by Entroper (Post 2227759)

And a convertible top. :D

Originally Posted by Entroper (Post 2227759)

This is true, though. What really grinds my gears is that it sounds like the LSD, FSTB, and Bilsteins are only available on the Club, not the Grand Touring trim. So there's really no such thing as a "fully loaded" 2016 ND, at least not in the US.

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2227787)

And double wishbone suspension, front-mid-engine layout, and 200 pounds less weight to carry. :P

Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2227901)

ftfy

also, higher COG, worse gas mileage, and much less power.

Originally Posted by Entroper (Post 2227905)

Say what? ND is in the 2300s. And maybe you missed the recent MPG announcement: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymod...zda_MX-5.shtml

Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2227901)

ftfy

also, higher COG, worse gas mileage, and much less power.

Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2227920)

Could swear I read a report that it wasn't that light, can't find it right now. I'm willing to bet options are going to drive that low weight up a bit.

I'll wait until fuelly reports come in on the car as the government also rates the twins with a manual as having crappy mileage and they said the older Miatas got better than they really do.

Would have been interesting if they released the thing with more power at the same price of the twins. It was well documented that the Miata was the market they aimed the twins at. If the new Miata could actually compete (or even worse, soundly beat)with the twins, it would probably force revisions.

Competition breeds innovation after all...

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2227923)

I'm not so sure the FR-S was really aimed at the Miata that much... besides the fact that it was the only other light weight rwd sports car at the time... It's really aimed at the old Silvias... it's the most similar to that car compared to any other in the past 20 years or so. Just a simple, light, tail-happy FR coupe...

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2227969)

Definitely the only thing, design intent-wise, shared between Miata and 86 is that they're relatively lightweight, RWD, reliable, affordable, and handling focused.

Early press said that the engineers targeted Porsche:



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...pockets-page-1

While it may share a country with the Silvia's it matches a Porsche 944 S2 spec for spec except it's cheaper, more reliable, and needs less displacement to get the same power while getting better fuel economy and having a lower c.g.

If Porsche built a FR coupe (Panamera based?) and lopped two cylinders off their flat-six engine and cut production costs (cheaper materials, faster production methods, lower paid workforce) this is the car they would make imo.

In any case, excited for the ND, like said above, Mazda does a good job of making each model as good as the last and usually improves on the formula. Even after you add the reality weight penalty the car should be lighter than 2450 lbs even with goodies, will be a hoot.