You can kinda get a price estimate prediction from Vorshlag's currently available BMW swap kits and parts.

Vorshlag all the way if I was doing a swap.

^ :word: I was just about to post that.

The Level 0 kit for an E36 is $3900. That's for the mounts, headers, transmission xmember, driveshaft, steering shaft, and bolts for those items. That does not include wiring, their accessory drive kit, CANBUS programming, any coolant/ac lines, or any other hard parts.

I can see all the parts being ~$8k, not including the motor or transmission. For what you're get, that still strikes me as an awesome deal.

I would easily consider 8k for all the swap components. In reality compared to my turbo setup and build cost it really isn't all that different. And the transmission is going to withstand more power than with my setup...

Absolutely. You can build a solid LS for less then a used FA20. The swap parts are pricey, but once you get it in there, you have a much better platform to build upon.

This will most likely be the avenue I pursue when my motor blows (again).

If it is top of the line quality, I actually think that's a good deal for the peace of mind and "running like stock (but with huge torque)" when you are done. If it's priced like that, I will do it someday. Plus, you can buy stuff piece meal and not all at once. Like you could buy the engine/trans first, let it sit for 6-12 months while you save up for dose #2. then take the rest of the plunge. Or vice versa. Also curious, as with anything, typically high end modding (BMW, Audi, Merc, etc) costs more. I wonder if it might be slightly more reasonable even then that. I guess it's possible.

*need to find reasonably priced used LS drivetrain*

any junkyard for 500-1k you can get a 5.3L .... that's a good start

Yep, I'd suggest either an LM4 or L33. Those are the aluminum block 5.3s. If you choose the right head and cam to go on them, you can make 350-400hp, and you can do it for less than $1500 ($1000 if you know where to look).

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I found a salvaged 2010 camaro SS with the 6.2 for $200 on a junkyard website lol, it was front end damage, but the engine bay pics looked like it was intact and fine.

Well that's a damn good deal. I'd buy that in a heartbeat

Only problem was, I didn't have $200 readily handy lol

I'd do the all aluminum LM4/L33 5.3L on a budget. It should be all the power I would ever need and be reliable too. I hope the entire swap kit will be priced near their BMW kit. Looking at ~$15k for a properly done swap will be very enticing. That's way better than sinking ~$15k into built turbo fa20 crap with questionable reliability and a glass tranny. Ultimately, it will come down to how much the handling characteristics will be thrown off. I purchased my FRS solely for its handling capabilities. I won't do anything to the car that will hinder those characteristics.

The only downside I see with this swap would be the weight of the transmission. The T56 is a heavy bastard, and it sits biased towards the front of the car slightly. I don't think the engine itself would be much heavier, if at all. Aluminum LS blocks are surprisingly light.

For me, it's not how much weight this swap gains, it's where it puts that weight. I hope they post corner balance numbers when it's completed.

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Hey, WGP dropped their kit down to $8k to compete! To bad their kit is much lower quality.
I'm guessing the complete kit will end up costing $6500-$7500 which would be amazing & just what this platform needs. I just wish there were more transmission that could fit, heck I wouldn't mind a 6L90e working. At least then I'd have one more part from a salvaged Camaro.

A few days ago I found a stripped BRZ at an auction without it's engine, trans, seats or radio equipment. If I can find a 2010+ Camaro SS manual with it's engine & trans then I'll be in business!

Can't wait for more updates!

what did you end up getting it for?

Almost $5k after delivery

Wow. Color me jelly.

Yep I remember posting...
 

i remember posting that you could get a stripped twin for 5-6K and then a wrecked camaro for 8-9.

You're looking at a total for a 420 hp car of 25K and then add an e-force supercharger and you've got a 600hp carb legal twin weighing less than 3Klbs for 35K...

And people try to say that the twins aren't the best bang for buck out there...lol

Jaden

You guys done derailing this mans thread with your pipe dream engine swap talk? Seriously start your own thread.

keep the rotarys out of good cars please. every oil change is 10% of your useable life lolol.

You can probably find one in that range if you look enough. Auction ended at $3900 with $200 auction fee & delivered for $600.

A wrecked Camaro, I've seen a few go for $6k-9k but they're more common than the twins.
I'm looking at an L99 & 6L90e in an automatic Camaro sitting in a junk yard for $6500, so if I can part it out for = to a fitting transmission.
$4700+6500+7500(kit)=$18,700 to have the car together. Then I'll need to find some Recaros & fit a Nexus 7 into it or something so I'll be looking at a $20k 400HP/TQ sub 2800 pound twin! Much better than buying a new one.

that's exactly what I was looking at too...
 

The 6l90e is rated to handle 900 lb/ft of torque, so while the l99 is tuned a little lower than the ls3, it still, I think, is the way to go.

If you can get a way for the 6l90e to fit, it may be better for high power than the manual.

And like I said, the carb tune for the e-force takes it to 600 hp ~.

Jaden

p.s. as far as derailing his thread, how in the fuck is talking about using the vorshlag kit with a camaro and the cost DERAILING his thread?? Talk about butt hurt...:bonk:

The L99 takes to mods similar to an LS3, but has AFM & Cylinder deactivation. I'm going to be happy with a stock LS engine in mine, but modding an LS3 or L99 is very easy.
As for fitting the 6l90e, it'll fit in a 66 Mustang with some work but I have my doubts about it in a FT86. Even if the tunnel is 'massaged'

personally I keep going back and forth...
 

I keep going back and forth in my mind as to whether I want to do the L99 or a 3.5 ecoboost...

With the ecoboost, it's already twin turbo, and with the ford GT moving to it with ~600 hp I would think that there might be some bigger DI's available in the near future for it too, although I don't want to think about what they would cost...lol.

Plus I have done some preliminary measurements and I think it may very well be possible to put the entire rear end assembly of the Camaro in the twins with just a simple adapter plate, although body fab would be necessary for the 6 inches wider it would be...

Jaden

any news on the LSX kit ? pricing ?

Even if they got the kit completed on the OP's car today, it would take some time for the parts to get fabbed in quantities for purchase. Plus I would wager once they finish the OP's car I would rather wait on his testing real world to see what else breaks next :) Good example is with v8 monster miatas that were having problems with bracing cracking welds for the power being put down. They had to fab different suspension parts to handle the increased power.

Maybe end of the year we might hear something.

I'd love to do a 3.5L ecoboost swap, but Ford hasn't released a control pack for the engine yet & it would use the v6 Mustang Auto/Manual transmissions.
I've seen Taurus SHO's making 500+ HP using meth & some forged upgrades just in case & the SHO's Ecoboost is smaller than the F150's.

If you really want a twin turbo you can use the LFX Twin Turbo v6 which would fit similar to an LS3, but finding a CTS-V would be near impossible & a crate motor would be very expensive.

Wow it is pretty concerning with the kit taking this long. Does anyone know the actual time that has been spent on making this kit?

Who cares if they get it right, the weapon car grenade camp should tell you that.
If you are actually interested and ready to buy with actual money, you would've got in touch with them by now?

@inertia check out Vorshlags blog on this build. They moved to a new location and have had to send the headers back to the manufacturer multiple times just so they can get it perfected for production. They mentioned numerous times that if they weren't making production pieces out of this, it would have been done months ago. But they want it done right and as easily as possible so someone like you or I can do this swap on our own.

It's also nice knowing that they are trying to keep the OEM CANBUS functionality, unlike the WGP car which didn't have a functioning gauge cluster and who knows what else.

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Yeah...
 

I'm a few years away from doing any swap, so now it is just planning stages. I would hope that Ford would release a control pack for the 3.5 ecoboost by the time I'm ready to do it.

I'm also looking at an AWD sequential transaxle to use with the ecoboost if I go that route.

Lots of fab but if it's doable, it will be SOO worth it.

imagine 500+hp AWD at about 2800lbs???

Jaden

Just get an evo8/9 ahah. Making a brz/frs awd is like making an evo or sti rwd. They both don't sit well with me. To each their own i suppose.

Imagine twice that power ;)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79708

you're forgetting two things..
 

You're forgetting two things... Pump gas, under $50K....

Not to mention that I live in commufornia...where I can't swap in anything older than the model year of my car or ADD turbos to a...well to anything that doesn't already have them...

Jaden

Evo's look like shit...
 

I can't park my car without turning around to look at it before walking away.

EVO's and STI's look like I'm taking my family to disneyland. That's what my wife's minivan is for.

Jaden

Good point. You can't fix ugly.

Yeah who cares... lol :rolleyes:

This is the info I was looking for! Thanks!


Amen hmong!!!

Do you think fabbing a Ford AWD sequential transaxle + ecoboost will be cheap? lol :lol:

Not at all. IF I do that though, my total costs won't put me above 50K though depending on which transaxle I go with, it might push a little over...

You've got to understand. I have access to CNC mills, gunsmithing accurate metal lathes and I would do EVERYTHING myself etc....

I also have a 3d printer and can do lost PLA casting for aluminum composite metals...

I'm not paying someone else to mod my own car. I do EVERYTHING myself...

I'm not most people so know that when I say something, it's because I can do it.

I haven't decided which route I'm going to go yet. I may just transfer the entire drivetrain from a wrecked camaro.

Jaden

Holy shit Vorshlag is in Plano? Might have to be making a drive up there one day... when I have about $20k to spare

Want updates so bad!

I envy you so much