Subaru’s Side Of The FT-86
 

Hey guys, over at Topspeed.com got new info about Subaru’s version.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...6-ar95238.html


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Thanks... but those news are old news. I'm frequent Subaru site view and heard that news since the spy vid and FT-86 was shown in TAS.

But again, not sure what's true and rumor. I'll just wait til Subaru actually show it in the next Auto Show

The thing I don't get is u can get an awd wrx for around 25 but we keep seeing it isn't gonna happen with this car because of cost. Is there that much money going into other parts of the car that it would make it that much more for awd? I know it would increase weight and I like the idea of rwd And I know that's what this car is all about I just don't see how an awd would be that much more in cost especially since they are going off of parts from existing awd subies. Just a thought....

I totally agree... but other view, if they want to use Toyota's FT86's chassis layout, they gotta modify the engine mount and other stuff to make it awd (need to put the engine forward). This itself gonna cost Subaru more. BUT if they do that, they have other parts they can use from other Subaru cars: STI 6sp tranny, Toyota/Yamaha designed new 2L H4, WRX/STI turbo kits, Brembo STI brakes, & etc. It's all there. Just the chassis part is main problem.

It either will not have 250hp or it's going to cost more than 25K. This would mean that it has 50 more hp than the Toyota but cost only 2k more?

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Ignoring the whole issue of them selling it and just looking at the pictures: That thing looks damn good..

^ I beg to differ. Something just doesn't sit right.

the badly photoshopped scoop doesnt sit right.. thats just a FT86 with chopped wheels, bumper and scoop.. frankly some of the chops done by members of this forum look way better and more realistic than those pics.. just more hype building news

and the base model subaru will be same as the base model toyota.
both will have turbocharged versions on a higher spec.. both will cost the same (roughly)

I cant wait to see the actual concept vehicle to compare to the toyota. I'd be supprised if it even looks anything like those renderings at all but who knows. I like the white one the best

in usual/traditional badge engineering, headlights, taillights, bumpers and bonnet should be changed. but than again who knows :p

damn I click this thinking something new and finally subarus prototype or concept but still NOTHING, nothing new seen them before.

I thought the same thing.

I was hopping for some snap shots of it being tested etc

Or offical info released

When's the next big car show that we could maybe expect to see an official Subaru concept?

Tokyo Auto Salon in jan/feb 2011 or Tokyo Motor Show 2011 maybe =0

Theres a big one in Syndey in october or something this year I believe. Dunno if theres gonna be anything on the subie though I'm hoping for something on the toyo

yea the g-sports has already been confirmed to be appearing in the sydney show. Common sense would predict they show the ft-86 concept aswell and hopefully new news.

No news on whether a subie version is appearing but i'll be there on my iphone so i'll let you know as soon as i see it or not.

Im trying to get tickets to the press day there but no luck at the moment

If FT-86 will make a appearance in the LA autoshow I'm on it like white on rice

Motor magazine in Australia just did a little article on the subie version they called it the Subaru FT-86 and said more of the same stuff modded lagacy platform only slight change cosmetically, rwd. But they said he engine will not be the same one as in the Toyota version instead o he Toyota modded head jib the subie will get a slightly modded version of the current 2.0-litre subie turbo boxer engine developing 185kw(don't know the exac conversion to hp but I think it's somewhere around the 250 mark) they also wrote that info from an insider says that both versions are currently being tested at the nurburgring by subie test drivers an that the subie version is due to debut at next years Tokyo motor show. Oh and the pic is a chop that we've seen already, the one with the front made to look Subaru with the lights the scoop and the air intakes on the side in WRX blue with gold wheels.

Is it just me or does the development of these cars really sound onesided like Toyota has just gone and said "right now that we own you, you'll do all the leg work on this new car we've been wanting to make and we'll tweek it right at the end and give it a Toyota feel"??

I think the Subie will be closer to $30k. I also don't think it needs awd to be successful. Just the turbo alone will help with that but I really hope they don't screw with the design too much or it'll look weird....

I don't think they're meant to look real just to hype up the imagination. They're renditions only....but I do agree the scoop is too small and too far back on the hood. I think the fogs look a bit out of place too.

Is there a reason we don't get Subaru's 2.0L turbo in North America anymore? That could factor in to the engine choices for USA/Canada.

You know, IDK. I always under that too... but it's same thing w Silvia. US we got 240sx instead of 180sx which had KA24DE (which was in Altima 90's Altima).

Well we had it in the WRX, but it's gone now. Only the 2.5 right? I'm just curious if there was a reason beyond driveability. Emissions? It could help clarify what options Subaru has if they want a different motor. (Not that an EJ257 couldn't be made to fit...)

As I understand it, its because Americans like low-mid range torque versus the rest of the world that likes higher revving top end power.

This and emissions

^also Subaru wasn't really well known in US early~mid 90's. Not like Toyota, Nissan & Honda

You know, the old excuse, "There is no replacement for displacement" IE: BS

Those pics just look like photchops of the FT-86 :P I do like the hood and the inlets under the headlights though. I might even like it more than Toyota's version...we'll see if they compare in price. Plus, I don't need a turbo if it's going to cost a lot more.
EDIT: wow, I can't believe that I have never noticed the inlets on the FT-86...how embarassing

Another reason for no 2.0 in the US could be that unfortunately many Americans are not able to drive stick and the 2.5 has more low end grunt than the 2.0 doesnt it? Better suited for the automatics. I'd just as soon have the 2.0 and let the people with auto deal with it :thumbup: Meanwhile, the rest of us who can drive stick will be much happier.

... Try buying an automatic WRX - you have to special order them. I don't even think they make 'em any more - you have to get the "2.5GT".

In '08, it was an option for sure but I'm yet to even read about an automatic '08 WRX.

when they boosted the power after 08 they changed the automatic wrx to 2.5gt and kept the hp from the 08 wrx. I think thats the only difference up until 2011 when the wrx gets the widebody from the sti

I'm quite familiar.

The point was, automatic transmission use was not a deciding factor in moving to the 2.5L turbo. 2008 and earlier WRXs were "available" with automatics, but you couldn't ever find one (if, god forbid, you really wanted one) at a dealer - they had to be special ordered.

Rather, the 2.5L was used because of Americans generically frowning down upon lag - even through a civic isn't any stronger at low rpm than a 2.0L WRX, the highly nonlinear powerband alarms some (lame) Americans.

i would soo buy a subie if i didnt have my dad's toyota discount and it's benefits.. buuut i have always been a toyota fan!

Did anyone tell him that the $25k price estimate was bogus. They direct converted the price for either the UK or the Japanese version which is not how it works in the market. Toyota was shooting closer to $20k from what I read. Subaru is a different story, I suppose.

I was saying that you can get a brand new awd turbocharged wrx for around $25k, i didnt say that was gonna be the price of the ft-86. and i was saying that 25K is right around where the ft-86 is supposed to be, so why do they keep saying it would cost so much more to make an awd. But it doesnt matter because I could care less either way, if there was an awd version I would prob go with that but there isnt going to be (or at least it doesnt make sense why there would be) so rwd would be fine.

dont care cost..will buy if turbocharged

The author/journalist, not you. If a WRX is $25k I don't see why the FT-86 would come out at $25k unless they are discussing the midrange models. Very confusing detail even if it is more important to more people than the base price.

Subaru still hasn't shown their car. I'm guessing they would keep it RWD but it's still possible that they change some things. The 2.5liter sounds like speculation. They're designing a new engine for this car yet why would Subaru use the old block? Can they fit the Toyota heads onto a 2.5liter?

isn't awd is heavier than rwd transmission? I thought one of the idea of this car is lightweight?

Yes, AWD tranny is heavier than RWD tranny. So you're saying cuz of extra 50 lbs gonna kill this lightweight car? :)

Also when did Subaru said their side of FT86 gonna be lightweight? IIRC they only said: 1) they gonna make their ver of FT86, 2) hybrid ver in 2013, and 3) looking/testing both tranny designs. If you can reference me to the site that Subaru officials states that they gonna make their ver of FT86 will be lightweight also?