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EZWood 07-30-2014 04:04 PM

variable vane turbos
 
Why is it that no one has used variable vane turbos for our cars? I'd like t start a discussion on the pros and cons. I have a gt3782v that is currently a giant paperweight. I'm thinking that it would spool relatively early and could avoid excessive egt's with the size of the exhaust housing. What are your thoughts on something like this.:thanks:

cdrazic93 07-30-2014 04:09 PM

Use the search button. I already started a thread like this.

EZWood 07-30-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 1873810)
Use the search button. I already started a thread like this.

Search doesn't work well on mobile. Would you be kind enough to provide a link?

cdrazic93 07-30-2014 04:23 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57972

blackhawkdown 07-30-2014 04:31 PM

when people talk about variable vanes i think about turbine engines. the variable vanes in the t701d, uh-60 blackhawk engines, opens up to increase air and power. it is kept close until a certain power percentage is reach (NG). variable vanes in turbine engines change the angle on how the air is sent to the compressor, it uses the anti-ice start bleed valve to control the amount of air going into the compressor and diffuser. an actual design of such a turbo would make it pretty efficient but it would make the turbo pretty big.

EZWood 07-30-2014 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackhawkdown (Post 1873856)
when people talk about variable vanes i think about turbine engines. the variable vanes in the t701d, uh-60 blackhawk engines, opens up to increase air and power. it is kept close until a certain power percentage is reach (NG). variable vanes in turbine engines change the angle on how the air is sent to the compressor, it uses the anti-ice start bleed valve to control the amount of air going into the compressor and diffuser. an actual design of such a turbo would make it pretty efficient but it would make the turbo pretty big.

It doesn't increase the physical size by very much. I would post a pic, but I'd have to resize it.

cdrazic93 07-30-2014 10:20 PM

To compress that kind of adjustabikity into a turbo of reasonable size, it gets incredibly complicated very fast. And its a direct coorilation to the price as well. If you already have one like the OP said, then id contact JDL as in the thread i posted they said they were willing to help with a custom setup if i ever wanted to make one.

Poodles 07-31-2014 01:16 AM

Expensive and overcomplicated when a twin scroll with a quick spool valve would work nearly as good :) Hell, even Honda knew that...

cdrazic93 07-31-2014 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 1874698)
Expensive and overcomplicated when a twin scroll with a quick spool valve would work nearly as good :) Hell, even Honda knew that...

I never bothered to figure out what a quick spool valve is, care to enlighten me?

DoomsdayJesus 07-31-2014 05:13 PM

It's something you really see far more often on truck turbodiesels. I believe Ram trucks with the Cummins Turbodiesel have them as an option.

Poodles 08-02-2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 1874853)
I never bothered to figure out what a quick spool valve is, care to enlighten me?



I'm not sure I can link it as it's not a vendor on these forums. Commonly used on Supras and they come right up in google...

1stGenBRZ86 08-03-2014 07:02 PM

quick spool valves close off one "scroll" on a twin scroll turbo until a certain boost pressure is reached. This allows you have a very big turbo with a relatively quick onset of boost.


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