so my motor blew up on dyno today jdl kit gtx3071
 

What are chances the heads ok and or chances i can get it replaced under warranty if i returned back to stock..supposingly the tial wg port plug came out and overboosted and rod went 3k miles on motor and bye bye

no chance

bottle of brown liquor, press to lips, consume contents.

good luck....hope you got extra money saved up :)

I dunno man. I feel like they are going to find out regardless of how hard you try to hide the fact you went FI. Too many pieces of been unscrewed, screwed and drilled. Not to mention the nature of your accident is suspicious. Having said that all that you are still going to take all the shit off as you need a new engine so it may be worth the effort. But I think you need to ask yourself what happens if you do and they investigate and find you lied? We are talking a big ticket item here and I suspect they will really dig before forking over a new engine.
I feel for you man it sounds like you had a sweet setup. On the bright side I have seen plenty of folks offering to sell their engines for around 3 to 4k. Its no easy feat buying, shipping and installing but it appears to be your only route.
Stories like this steer me towards SC vs turbo.
Good luck

$3-4k for a motor? I'd sell mine for that just to justify a built motor install! Lots of other hidden expenses, but still tempting.
On another note, hiding what you did to the motor, knowingly abusing it, would be fraud. Not something I'd pursue. Perhaps return it to stock, take it in, mention you had it turbo'd or FI'd and BAM. See if they're willing to help. Otherwise you're back to needing a new motor to install all the kit back onto. Good luck.

that really sucks.
I am not heavy into the turbo discussions, but I am surprised I haven't heard anything about overboost protection at all. In my 240 there was a simple $50 box with an adjustible pressure sensor that cut spark if you went above your set limit. Seems like a cheap form of insurance if going FI.

Please don't.

What you are doing is not only fraud, but it also cheats other honest owners out of warranty work in the long run.

The more these things show up with the manufacturer, the less inclined they are to help out modded car owners.

Don't ruin it for the rest of us, please.

-alex

Pay to play buddy. If you can't afford to lose the motor you shouldn't have been bolting a turbo kit on.

I was only inquiring because somebody mentioned it..ill most likely buy a used motor and get rid of it..would like to get away with just replacing shortblock but my luck i doubt it

Should have tuned in the boost cut if it was on ecutek. It works great. @Pure Automotive might have a stock spare for sale

Maybe I am cynical but I feel car dealers will try to fuck you for a profit no matter the scenario no matter the circumstance. I have no and will never have any sympathy for dealerships should they mistakenly pay for a driver who committed fraud.

Your point is to think about the other people doing the right thing and I applaud you. Why should they be punished? Its people with minds like you that stir communities to come together for some righteous cause. I'm no there and I put myslef first.

Here is what is racing through my mind and the reason why I lack sympathy.

An old couple walks into a dealership looking for a new ride.... The End

Yes had boostcut thru ecutek..i got all supporting mods new clutch even ran e85 to be safe but yet i cant even make it off a dyno

Bummer.. doesnt take much to destroy one of these motors with their high stock CR and too much boost. You should be able to find a motor someone pulled at a reasonable price. Did you window the block? either way you got your work cut out for you.

so my motor blew up on dyno today jdl kit gtx3071
 

Approximately how much boost was being pushed through it when it spiked? What was the target boost?

You'll be best off looking for a lightly used longblock with low miles. They can be had for around $3000 + shipping/delivery.

you install this yourself? Did the port come out as in break, or was it not threaded in all the way and fell out?

Sorry to hear man. Hope you get things sorted.

First dyno session dyno had issues wouldnt display hp/tq graphs but left with 10/11psi 93 map and e85 15/16 psi map..drove it away had to come back to get tuned touched up and the shop had to get the mustang dyno fixed a week later..i dropped off car sun nite..i get a call in am saying they working on fueling issues should be done later get a call later in pm hey your motor blew come get it sorry we blew your car up..you still gotta pay for the tune and the ecutek lic tho which i already paid for at first dyno session...and ofcouse it was the installers fault which was me becuse wg port plugs came out but from the 7th first day of tune thru when i dropped it off back to them on sunday the 19th car ran perfectly fine with just a lil hiccups and hot start issues..basically prime motoring told me to go fuck myself left my car on street and my keys in their mailbox

Ruh roh..

Hey King Kai, sorry to hear about your motor man, havent even gotten my kit yet, but ill make a note to double check all hose connections 3x. Definitely cold of your tuner to handle things like that, I wish you the best of luck man. My advice would be to find something local, I would check used car dealerships I have ran into some here parting a couple out, somehow they gathered 4 to make 2 cars, check insurance auctions. But I was quoted 3k for a complete motor with low miles for reference.

It sucks, but if the wastegate port came off due to your error, the dyno operator would not be liable. If they did the install, then that's a different story.

More so if his story is correct and true, it sounds like they are a bunch of ass hats that could not give a fuck about their client. Installer error is correct and it is not the shops problem, But to just throw his car on the street and the keys in the mail box makes the shop owners sound like scum fucks of the earth.

Disclaimer: This is all if owners story is accurate and not made to sound like he is the culprit of poor customer service.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

It's tough to complain or say anything about a shop when they did not install all of the parts or did they? I'm not defending anyone I just know that doing installs yourself on "risky" parts and pieces poses a noteable risk always does. I do lots of part and pieces myself however boost being expensive and a tune being of top importance I will have a shop doing it and tuning it all of course researched and competent to the kit I'll get.

Not to discredit any part of the story, but shops tend to do that when the customer needs the car after hours. If they did it while they were open, I'd be very suprised.

I installed turbo kit..the injectors the fuel pump the ebc ,3 bar map and vaccum lines and clutch were installed by shop prior to tune it just seems weird to me first dyno session and 11 days of street driving the wg port plugs dont come out but on 2nd dyno attempt they all of a sudden came out on the dyno..i wasnt there during the tuning session how would i kno if they werent screwd loose to cover their asses?

Maybe their son/daughter should have taken the time to go with them like they did for their children's first car purchases? Otherwise they may end up paying for some unethical douchebag who blew his engine with a bolt-on turbo kit and then defrauded the dealer into replacing it under warranty.


You can argue that only the dealer loses in such cases but in my experience it isn't the dealer or even the manufacturer who pays for that kind of fraud. Those costs are simply passed on to the consumer.

first bad thing i've heard about prime motoring.

Keep in mind of the possibility that they could be loose from the start and they eventually popped off due to more stress from the dyno??? To many variables to put the blame on anyone in particular unfortunately. They could've helped as far as maybe giving you some sort of promise to pay thing instead of asking for payment right away given the situation? (Just what I would've done at least) Sorry to hear this happened though.

hope you get it worked out soon man.

Sorry about the car man.

Im really surpised, i had a shop incorrectly install WG lines on cousins brz, the car overboosted on an FA20crap base map(OVER15PSI) a couple of times and the motor didn't blow :/. The car has since been tuned nemours times and now runs over 12psi on 91 perfectly fine

I would ask for logs for all the runs they did that day.

If you have proof that the boost was being controlled in the earlier runs, and then not controlled in later runs (all while under their care), then it is definitely their fault.

If they didn't do every single bit of the install, you're on your own. Putting the car on the street and the keys in the mailbox is pretty standard for picking up a car after hours. Should they have waited for you and given you a hug? The dyno is a pretty intense place. Things can and do go wrong there. In the end, you pay to play.

View this as a chance to get a built engine. I'd call up Full Blown, MAP, or Element.

nek minnit

The wastegate plug coming out is a possibility, but a good tuner and shop should be monitoring boost and that should not have blown your motor. I would ask for more details or proof of what occured when the motor blew. They should have been datalogging the car with EcuTek at the time the motor blew. I would like to hear the other side of the story from @PrimeMotoring and @JuniorAWD.

Well isnt this the furthest from the truth. Kai, i called you and told you exactly what happened but you proceeded to try to blame us. Who installed the kit? We even found another tial wastegate box to show you in the instructions you need to install the caps with loctite which in the picture below shows you did not. Your car was tuned last week and it came back to fix a hot start issue and touch it up. Unfortunately the plugs rattled loose by then and you are trying to pin anything on us. If we installed the kit and this happened, then we would owe you a motor.


You have been in contact with Junior and myself the entire time and no point did we tell you to "fuck yourself." You basically said that to us when you said to leave your car on the street and youll pick it up tonight. None of that gets mentioned though, its just "Prime Motoring blew up my car". Whoever installed the wastegate and did not follow instructions should take responsibility for the car overboosting.

In terms of data logging im sure @JuniorAWD will chime in with that since he has those. I can supply the pictures though.

This is what we find when trying to figure out why the car overboosted.

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Tial recommends all fittings be loctited on, even the water fittings. This is a wastegate we had laying around. I didnt have the bag with the airport fittings because it was thrown out after the fittings were loctited and installed to dry.

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Noticed the other port was hand tightened on and pulled it off to see if there was loctite applied....none

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The other plug is underneath the dyno or somewhere in Kai's car. We could not find it to see but that is what we found. Everyone can play the situation as they please but we can not control hardware issues caused by user error. Like i mentioned, if this was our install, we would be buying Kai a new motor.

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Wonder if they have data of what boost blew it up.