12k quote...whattttt?
 

Straight up, I'm new to BRZ but not new to this game. Had some pretty sweet rides in my time. With that said, so far I've added the quicksilver sport 3 inch exhaust. My 2013 brz is my daily driver, but it's a really needing some HP power but Im not looking to turn it into a drag race car.

I keep reading the articles on the pre made turbo kit with the ecu programmed so I took a some advise from a user on there and called a local shop to check on some prices.

12k I was quoted for a custom- tuned turbo kit. That's crazy! I just want a kit that will fit my current setup and if I blow a clutch later down the road , I'll slap in a nice one.

I know not everyone on here, is dropping 12k---right?

plenty of sponsors here that sell kits for much cheaper then 12k.

Search around to see what style of kit you like.

Since he cross posted here's the skinny

Let's take into perspective a few things just from a quick search:
MAP's full done kit with 1100cc injectors is $6700
Clutch $1100
Intercooler $1000 (maybe a little high)
Tuning license and dyno time $1200
Exhaust $1000 (catted)

That's $11,000...

Then labor

gesssh... so these kits I see around 5k-6k , really you need to upgrade everything else to make it work? What about a SC?

I've been reading the threads

It's about right, call up toni at FA20Club, he'll let you know all about it.

I can't and wont spend that on my 200 hp BRZ

bummer...!

So AVO, full blown, all these kits.. you cant drop them into a stock car?

There's a local that posts his track videos to the houston86 Facebook group where he beats Porsches and vettes all the time. And he's stock...

I guess in my other cars, the z06,tt's, 6k would do some HP damage. I just dropped 1800 on exhaust which was like z06 prices with civic gains lol

You can but this is how it happens.

You spend the money to put the thing on. Then your clutch goes.

So you spend more money taking it back out to put the clutch in.

Then you might have fueling issues so now you need to dyno tune instead of going on the basemap. Only to find out you need more fuel in the top end and hence injectors.

You run so hard that your shit heat soaks and now you have to fork over for a catch can setup and intercooler and piping. Therefore paying the labor all over again.

All the while repaying for labor because you didn't do it the first time.

You can drop them in a stock car if you have little power goals. Think like just a bump in power from an overpriced greddy kit. It doesn't make as much as these others because the components are not capable.

You could just get a innovate stg 2 with the cooler and ecutek tune and call it a day.

i like how you laid that out!
Do it right the first time, whats the kit you mentioned run? How soon on the clutch burning out? a yr or sooner?

Those numbers above are bs. Search around and don't listen to these people.

You notice none of them are boosted?

Ask other fI people what their experiences and costs were for their builds

i thought i was asking the people with FI lol

I'm not boosted, but what was said above is total horse shit. You don't NEED a clutch upgrade if you are playing conservative (~250whp). Intercoolers come with every kit...as an included item. The stock injectors are fine for "conservative" setups. Nearly all of the kits are drop ins (no fabrication required), whether "conservative" or not. It's your decision on if you want to install in your garage or at a shop. Just make sure to get proper tuning.

There is a reason why these are kits for our cars. There is no custom work done anywhere.

I've seen the Kraftwerks kits for $3500 without tune. Yes you might still need/want gauges and other little bits, but $12k for an entry level "conservative" kit....sure

Here is a local car's dyno.

Stock motor
JDL base turbo kit ~$3700
stock clutch
stock injectors
stock fuel pump
Stock overpipe
Stock frontpipe
Stock Midpipe
Muffler delete pipe $100-$200
Ecutek Tune $600-800?

Mustang Dyno

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lmaooo good one

You will get answers from everybody. Not just those with FI. MAP's kit with 1100cc injectors and dw65 pump and their oil pan is $5800. That kit is 304 stainless which is the best as far as resisting corrosion. You can get cheaper kits and run less boost. If you keep the torque under 250 lb-ft(IIRC) your clutch should hold up fine. Intercooler and base tune are included. You can install it and run it. It did make around 300 whp on their car which is double stock.

$1800 on exhaust? Was that headers and all? If so, I would do a supercharger with the OFT for tuning. A turbo kit will eliminate the headers. If not then what did you buy for an exhaust? You think 12k is a lot for a shop to install a turbo kit yet you spend 2k on an exhaust?

Disclaimer: I have not yet put a turbo kit on my car, but have everything pretty much spec'd out. I'm just waiting on saving up the money.

There is simply no need for 1100cc injectors if you're aiming for under 300whp (which is almost double the stock hp).

Look at the reasonable kits, and also read up on what you ACTUALLY need to hit 300whp. It's not rocket science, and you don't need to spend a fortune, but it definitely won't be a $3000 total deal.

I used the 1100cc injectors in the price as that is what they have a base map for. Are they needed? No.

The turbo setup on ken gushi's frs uses the stock fuel system

Bigger is better bro!

well 1400 + 200.00 in shipping took two months to show up, Sounds like a beast though! Quicksilver Sport, heard of it? Jesse@JDLAutodesign I like the numbers and the price!

Wowwwwww this thread may single handidly have the worst info available.

1. Kits come with intercoolers.
2. The majority of the cars I have had stock fuel systems or they had upgraded fuel systems for no reason. I have done well into the 300's on e85 with no fuel upgrades.
3. 12k? Shit my setup cost around that. And that includes the brand new engine I bought from subaru and the forged internals I put into it.
4. The stock clutch is pretty damn beastly if you aren't drag racing. Note my hp/tq in my signature from my old setup on 100% stock exhaust and clutch... And this was on the lowest reading dyno I have ever used in my life.

Let me pm you my number and I can give you some unbiased opinions on what you could go for.

I was not familiar with them. Looks like you paid a $600 premium for a 304SS exhaust because it is made in the UK.

Remember, these engines are not giant air pumps like the v8's you came from. It takes more then intake, exhaust and a programmer. Those mods plus a throttle body spacer make a 03 Chevy 1500(2wd) run a 14.7 sec quarter. Instead of a TB spacer, the Crawford power blocks on the FA20 with intake, exhaust and tune would probably put a 86 in the same range.

Is everyone missing the part where a shop is doing the install? Depending on the kit, 3500-6000 depending on make, dyno time, labor, possible clutch. There are a lot of unknowns when given just a number. Maybe the shop is going to build a turbo kit for him.

That to me sounds like a number for a custom fabbed setup, not a drop in and go kit. I would expect about ~$800-1000 in labor for a shop to do the install on a pre-fabbed kit figuring $75-100 an hour depending on the shop, not including a custom tune.

$3500 for SBD w/ E-Tune....and with Open Flash Tablet (During the Promo Giveaway)

Can't beat that deal, period....

How much power are you looking to make? Evasive runs or ran a special for the greddy kit installed and tuned for 6200.

Our base kit is is $3995
comes with fuel pump and injectors, Garrett and tial parts. Powder coated piping at additional cost.

Ecutek license $350

Clutch $600

Total is a little under 5k and is enough to get from 300 TO 450HP.

Clutch will slip at 230 ft lbs.

Stock fuel system will run out somewhere in the 300's whp range.

You spent $1600 on a catback? :eyebulge:

Hahah oh snap, as soon as people started bring up base kit specs vendors be jumpin in. For OP i would reccomend a S/C so you dont have to deal with turbo heat and engine bay cooling after you install it on your car, that being said I woukd suggest the Jackson Racing S/C. Its been said before, its not a cheap venture, then again changing the asperation on any car is inherantly expensive. gotta pay to play

( why would someone leave the IC cost seperate from a kit...I thought all turbo kits and some S/C kits came with them :bonk: )

Looking at other cars over the years, the amount of aftermarket for this car is amazing. Competing vendors have competitive pricing because of all the competition. Their are not many cars where you can get a complete drop in and go kit that can be done on a weekend in your driveway for under 5 grand thats of the quality that most of these kits are.

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Our kit comes with an intercooler, so that won't be needed in your price quote:thumbsup: And we also have full done kits starting much cheaper than that price depending on the turbo as well.

fixt. Install the kit yourself.

Worked for me.

Kraftwerks SC kit -$3500
Radium Dual Catch Cans - $280
Mishimoto Radiator w/ Hoses - $375
Kraftwerks Oil Cooler - $493
P3Cars Vent Gauge - $389

Self installing everything. Tuning being done by a contact I have.

$5037

If that is a 'turn key' quote including: Tax, shipping component costs, shop supplies, labour rate, fluid changes, custom tune/dyno time and they warranty their work...sounds about right. It's all the little bits that add up on top of an advertised base price. I bet the end result would be spectacular!

What is missing here is what power goals did you have in mind, especially when you asked for the quote?

It's already been touched on here and in other threads, but if you are looking for 250-300whp on pump gas, then you don't injector upgrades or fuel pump upgrades. In general, if you are planning to run 92-93 octane pump gas you won't be looking at more than 300whp for safety sake.

As general rule of thumb:

1) 220-260whp, 190-215 ft/lbs of torque - you really don't need anything besides the FI kit of your choice. The clutch should be fine, the standard fuelling will be fine, even the stock exhaust will be fine.

2) 270-300whp, 220-260ft/lbs of torque - you will be at the limit of the standard fueling and standard 92-93 octane pump gas. You may be able to push the power further, but that is a choice to make between you and your tuner. You *will* need a clutch, as once you get to 220+ ft/lbs of torque, your clutch will give way. If not right away, it will be soon. Exhaust upgrades are highly recommended. So is an upgrade to better rubber.

3) 330+ whp, 260+ ft/lbs of torque - for safety sake, you better be running e85, race gas, meth, or similar. Running e85 guarantees you'll need larger injectors, plus a fuel pump. Stock clutch left the building a long time ago. Exhaust is necessary. Brake, suspension, and tire upgrades should also be considered mandatory. Some gauges to monitor the situation is also A Very Good Idea.

Choice no.3 can easily push you into the 10k+ range, not because of the FI kit itself, but all the supporting modifications that go with it.