Collection of "Subaru axing BRZ" & "Subaru making next-gen BRZ" rumor threads...
 

Enjoy.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68747
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68613
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68655
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68608
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68595
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68819
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68831
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68833
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68852
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68879

And.... this thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68794

Subaru making next-gen BRZ rumor threads:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69543
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69534

why did you even brother making a useless thread with links to other unless threads....

Why did you bother reading? Why did you bother clicking the thread? Why did you bother leaving a useless comment?

Life has many questions.

i just find it funny that everyone is b*tching about the topic posted above, and OP adds to the trolling by starting another useless thread (which everyone was b*tching about in the 1st place).

Wait they might AXE the BRZ :eyebulge:

Now for the "new mysterious FRS" threads...:lol:

I'm not trolling.

I'm doing this to prove a point: that this site needs a "news/rumors" subsection. In fact, this site needs several subsections to clear up clutter...

But it's not up to me to decide, and until then I will do what I can to aggregate these threads.

Feel free to point new threads to this one, so people can realize how absurd they are posting new threads of the same topic in the main sections of the site.

At least I did everyone a favor by posting in "General Automotive Discussions"...

-alex

I heard in the UK they'll use Lynx.

if in fact that was what you were doing than a simple PM to a Mod or Admin would have done it.

what this site really needs is for its member to do a search before making a post in order to avoid making repost threads.

it shouldn't have been posted in the 1st place. but if one were to do so the right section would be "Site Announcements / Questions / Issues". what you posted isn't car news ;)

-not alex

Have you tried using the search feature? It's not exactly the most accurate even if you use advanced keyword search. For a newbie on the forum boards it's not really their primary focus. I do agree people need to utilize it more but I've been unable to find certain threads unless I type the title of it verbatim. Now I assume most people come to the boards seeking fast and convenient information, correct? With that being said I can understand why a lot of newbies would not want to waste 10-20 minutes searching for one specific thread that isn't pinned.

Yes I have used it and it works just fine me. you don't see me making a ton of repost threads.

It does not take 10-20 mins to do a search. well I guess it could if you're slow and retarded. Also how about using something called tag.

And if all fails just read a few of the thread titles in the sub forum to see if the topic maybe similar.

I'm looking for a thread regarding uneven acceleration I read a month back. Find it for me. I'm timing you. GO!

Took me less than a minute.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47349

I been using the search feature since 2010. It works just fine. :thumbsup:

Nice, I'm actually impressed. I just clicked back 50 pages and picked a random thread and said two words from it.

This would have been better if it was a moved thread that merged ALL of those useless rumor threads. They're just taking up space where they are right now.

The Toyota/BMW project is for the upper tier car that Toyota is doing. Toyota has said before that the 86 is the mid-level car of their 3-level sports car plan. The next supra (the one they're most likely teaming up with BMW for) is most likely the FT-1, so it's not going to be the replacement for the 86, just it's bigger brother.

I just find it funny that the same people who complain about reposts take the time out of their lives to click, read, and post in these threads. A better solution is to simply ignore them so that they stop going to the top of the page.

I read ONE article out of all that click bait, decided it was just another rumor that had no basis considering what we already knew about Toyota's plans for a 3-level sports car offering, and went on with my life.

It's more annoying seeing the folks who are supposed fans say ridiculous things like "I hope it's true, I want my car to be rare" that really boil my blood. It's pure selfishness, honestly. I'd MUCH rather see this car become another Miata: going strong for 20 years such that it'd stupidly cheap to acquire, stupid fun to drive, and really cheap to kit out.

That's what I want: to see this car become THAT successful. Then I can say "I was an early adopter. I fell in love with the FT86 before it was cool." That kind of "gloating" is okay. It means the car is still succeeding. When a production run is killed off, it's sad, and I don't like seeing folks who like the car WANT that to happen.

At least this time they have a quote from someone credible :bonk:

But he said the same thing 9 months ago so still not sure how it's groundbreaking.

Bleh was hoping my rotary post would have gotten a few more bites but I didn't really hit the believability factor quite right.

I agree with @SirBrass except the future of the twins. I actually see the twins taking the path of the Civic than the Miata.

I come to that conclusion by the populous on this forum.

Yes. This same information has been posted and reposted, mostly because people (who are generally too lazy to search) don't see the existing threads.

A news/rumors subsection for speculating on the future direction of the Twins would help prevent this.

Wait, is this where we're supposed to post that we heard toyota was buying subaru? Or... whatever it was?

I can agree with this. My only thing is that in order for it to remain a success, improvements need to be made, especially if other manufactures create direct competitors. As to what those improvements are, everybody will have their own opinion on what they think can be better. Some want more power, some want less weight, some want better factory tires, brakes etc etc. It will have to evolve though at some point. Just my opinion based on what I've seen from other cars.

As far as the rumor mill goes, I don't believe jack shit I see on any of these sites. Somebody is going to go ask the CEO of Toyota next week what are their future plans for Toyota and he'll reply with "hold on, I'm going to lunch at McDonalds, I'll be back to answer your question in 10 minutes". The same day, articles will be all over the web titled "Toyota files bankruptcy. Being bought out by McDonalds"

...obviously an extreme exaggeration but it's the truth. Somebody gets something out of context, makes an assumption on what the hidden message, if any, is and then makes some bullshit story on it and then everybody believes it.

Until I see confirmed proof that the FRS/BRZ will no longer be in the lineup for the upcoming MY, I won't believe it nor even waste the time to read any of this poorly fabricated articles.

It depends on how good someone is at searching. Some people just take a really long time, and some are really good at finding stuff. My wife will look for something on the internet for an hour and then finally ask me for it. I'll find it in under five minutes most of the time. I have to be good at finding answers otherwise I'd suck at my IT job.

See, where most people would go to search, start looking for acceleration, or just start browsing through the rest of the forum.. I hit up google, type site:ft86club.com "uneven acceleration" and, BOOM!, first result. Could've even hit that "I'm feeling lucky" button!

Hope you learned something. :)

The FR-S/86/GT86 will have a minimum 6 year run with a mid-cycle refresh. Just look at Toyota's history for it's mass produced sports cars as reference. The Supra, the Celica and each iteration of the MR2 followed the same basic schedule. History does not lie and big corporations are creatures of habit.

What Subaru does with the BRZ will probably mirror Toyota due to the production link. Both companies have too big an investment in this chassis to stop the production run any time soon. Especially when they are still selling better than nearly any other sports car currently in production.

Therefore, the twins will stay in production until at least 2018 before production ceases or they are re-engineered for a second generation model.

Take it to the bank. My logic and sources are as credible as anything posted in any of these recent articles.

I was at a performance shop with my car a few weeks ago and one of the techs had a twin with at least 10k of work in it. We were talking then he is like, have you heard they are going to discontinue them? I wanted to facepalm so hard, wasn't sure if serious or trying to real life troll me. Just said oh thought it was a joke...

Some things I will never understand

It's like when people post links to the Onion and actually believe news articles published there. :clap:

Subaru's chassis refresh cycle is wonky, though. 1st gen Impreza is 1992-2000 (8 years), 2nd gen 2000-2007 (7 years), 3rd gen 2008-2014 (6 years).

Ah, but those numbers still support my conclusion ie: 6 year minimum run for the twins.

And from a profit/manufacturing perspective, they want to change as little as needed while the car is still selling well and there aren't any real competitors.

With the rumoured competitors (nissan, kia, etc) it'll be interesting to see where this platform goes, but I wouldn't hold my breath for any huge changes until the next generation of it.

Thread making fun of speculation threads turns into another speculation thread.

:cheers:

Improvements are fine as long as the car's "soul" remains intact. Again, looking at the MX-5 as the model, there have not been huge changes to the "soul" over car, just improvements. Sure there's been different engines and such, but from the driver's seat it has always been a momentum-driven roadster that has owned the curves.

I hope to see the same for the 86. And I also hope it won't put on the weight like the Impreza lineup has done over the years: getting bigger and more bloated with each successive generation.

Keep it a Rwd 2dr coupe, keep the light weight, keep the handling, keep the MT option, and keep the lines. That's all I ask of Toybaru for the car: let it keep it's soul. If that means it eventually gets a different motor, or they make changes to the brake pads, tires, and wheels (within reason), that's fine. As long as at the end of the day it is still delivering the same kind of experience that sold us on it in the first place. After all, they managed to span decades between the AE86 and this and still kept the soul of the car even there.

But....but....ain't that what forums do best? :confused0068:

But then you would have to define the "soul." Where does it reside? What attributes does it have? Is this something that can be clinically proven? Do cars really have souls, or is this an example of anthropomorphism? What if the car was ok with mods the way some people are, with tattoos and implants and piercings and whatnot? Would that make it more acceptable to mod your car? What if the car didn't want to be modded? Is changing the wheels a change to its soul, or is it as simple as you putting on a different pair of shoes in the morning?


I don't know, man. But it keeps me up at night.

As long as OP links it in the first post I'll be happy.

Request approved.™

You can't whittle it down to mundane numbers. Otherwise this car would've been a flop. Remember, the numbers lied about how much fun this car is.

It's more of an art. Improvements made by engineers and designers who care about the totality of the car and the driving experience it delivers.

I don't know. You could look at the power numbers, combined with the car's dimensions, gross vehicle weight, weight distribution, drivetrain setup, gear ratios, and spring rates, and come to a pretty reasoned conclusion that the car would be a lot of fun to drive.

Some others that might be useful

- steering rack ratio, feel, and response
- CG height and polar moment of inertia
- damper plots
- roll bar rates and suspension design
- torque plot

I do agree though, much of what makes a car fun or good to drive can be quantified in this day and age.

Edit: Thinking about it some more, some things may be harder to quantify like shift feel, brake feel, seating position, and visibility.

I just put acceleration into the keyword. Put it as "Title only" than everything with acceleration in the title shows up. Than I go to my browser "Chrome" and click on the "find it" and type in "uneven" and it only shows one match. All it all it took me like 50 seconds.