EL Catted Header: P&L vs JDL?
 

The search on this site blows. Opinions on these two headers?

Will be using OFT with non catted front pipe and stock axle back. Power blocks maybe in the future.

http://pandlmotorsports.com/shop/pl-...4-1-header-na/

http://jdlautodesign.net/shop/ft86-equal-length-header/

Well the JDL catted and coated header is $250 more than the P&L catted and coated header and is certainly not $250 better. Personally, I have the P&L catted and coated header and love it. It's a beautiful piece and makes a beautiful sound.

I can't speak to the JDL piece, but $1500 is waaaay too much for only one piece of the exhaust, imo. Also, JDL has at least a 3 week lead time, while P&L usually has headers on hand.

I also have the P&L headers, mine are uncatted but still amazing plus they are the set up for the P&L turbo kit so it saves you money on the kit if you plan on getting it

Google jdl el collector and all of the independent dynos done of both their headers

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Unless both headers were tested on the same car, the same day, those dyno numbers you speak of mean very little.

I think they are both very high quality units that produce great numbers. I think you'll be happy with either one.

I'm torn as well not too many sound clip of either. However, I heard one with Nameless headers that sounded phenomenal. Sigh... decisions.

The video of the JDL EL catted headers sounds phenomenal. Pretty much what sound me plus the gains I'll get on top whenever I get my tune.


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I'm interested in P&L catted and coated as well, but would like to hear more user comments on issues, if any. In particular if the loop in front of the engine is causing nearby plastics to melt (going to keep the stock intake resonators). The lack of in-cabin videos, particularly with stock catback, is a bit frustrating too.

You are very correct however what one is suppose to look at is the increase in change between the runs within the same dyno (ex stock to header run with a 20 percent increase in some area compared to an increase from another dyno) while numbers change increase rate generally stay similar that's why curves often look of a similar shape between dynos.

Do some google searches is what I'm saying and figure out what you want and are looking for in a header

If the guys that have gone turbo aren't melting anything, you certainly won't.

Bump. Info on these headers isn't as easy as a Google search. Especially when this thread is the first search result.

I'm sitting at 47,000 miles now, the majority of them with the P&L header (now modified to turbo header) I have no melting plastics anywhere in my engine bay. I'll take photos tomorrow when it's light out if you would like.

I never had a Header+stock catback configuration or I would have had a few sound videos for you, but I think someone else here had done it. Last I heard they were having trouble posting the video:iono:.

Bumping this thread.
Is the sound dramatically different from catted to non-catted? I don't mind loud, I just don't want rasp. Currently running catless front pipe matched to an Evo3.

That pulls up exactly zero useful results.

Not saying it's the case here, but sometimes available stock is actually a bad thing (ie, why aren't they already sold).

Should go catless on the header, and catted on the front pipe. Evo3 might have some rasp due to the larger piping. This is why I prefer the N1 in this case.

I have the catless JDL EL installed with the rest of the factory exhaust and I'm quite happy with it so far. No rasp and the stock Axelback keeps it quite tame.

I was mainly asking because it's only $100 to add the cat to the P&L header. If I were to redo it and get a catted front pipe, I'd be out a lot more than $100. Just curious as to if the cat really changes the sound enough to make it worth it. Or if the header isn't raspy to begin with, then no need to worry about the cat in the first place.

It will help a little bit, but not a lot. The resonator and mufflers do more. I had a hell of a time fighting rasp on a Nameless 3" header back and that had a cat and 2 resonators. The pipe size was just too large.

My only argument on the cat in a high flow header is the life span. They don't last as long as they do in the front pipe.

P&L offers a lifetime warranty on the cat in their header, which is awesome. If the cat doesn't do much though, I may as well get a resonator or two added to my front pipe.

I meant use google as the search ex. jdl el dyno "ft86club.com" or whatever the google search quick method is.

Maybe not P&L but if I remember correctly there are some drift office numbers if not there was another independent tuner who had EL dyno numbers

I wouldn't say it is a dramatic difference, but a cat will act the same as a resonator as far as volume and "raspyness" reduction.


It's one of our highest volume items, we're now usually doing a production run of 20 at a time to tide us over for a few weeks. There's no sense in fabricating one at a time like other manufacturers when we know it's more efficient for us (and for our customers) to have them ready to go on the shelf. :thumbsup:

Ty @ P&L

any problem for instal one of these catted headers without any tune?
lost low end torque?

Sorry my bad english
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Our header will smooth out the 'torque dip' common on the stock engine even without a custom ECU tune. You should not see any negatives from installing the manifold without a tune.

-Ty

I have the P&L catted and coated header. Straight forward install once stock header->overpipe bolts were removed. everything else is stock on my car except a panel filter.

-Unclip/disconnect both O2 sensors
-Get under car and remove skid plates
-Unbolt stock header
-move O2's from stock header to P&L header
-Bolt in P&L Header
-Secure Vband
-Reconnect O2's

done.

I have a video clip of in-cabin sound in one of my earlier posts. Not very good, but you'll get the gist of it.

Can you describe how it feels? Is the dib gone with more power at the top end?

I will be putting up my P&l catted and coated header for sale soon. Just sayin....

JDL EL catted here. No dip at all. Pulls like a champ to redline. If the actual numbers are a concern, look away: this dyno was a heartbreaker.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...5&d=1399402301

Hey batstig I saw that you got rid of the nameless combo pipe. What was the reasoning for that?

Nasty buzzing and poor fit. From my knowledge the buzz was caused by the helmholtz, which they have since changed the design.

you think it'll be better off to get the JDL 2.5 ultra quiet fp and op?

I have no idea how the new Nameless design is treating people, nor do I know much about JDL's ultra quiet pipes. What I do know is that JDL's quality is amazing and if I were in the market their pipes would be at the top of my list.

Jdl catted el header
Motiv over pipe
motiv high flow catted front pipe
already had Mxp rs ti tip catback tho
That wut I will go for best power out put
With no gas smell in carbon
No error light
Afe intake system also

I really need some power for my local track
Highest straight only 135-140 km/h
lots of 180 degree Corners!
I need more power on 4000-7000 rpm range

Still checking with other for are those will
Fit OEM engine under panel

Let me know u guys thougt for my build in future

I like your setup. no CEL? Did you do a tune? if so, was it OFT stage 2 or ECUTek? did the stock underpanel fit the JDL? your help is appreciated.