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unsurety 06-16-2014 05:40 AM

Catalytic converters and E85
 
Friend of mine who ran E85 on his Evo warned me to look into this... I'm sure there are members here who have cats in their system and run an E85 tune. Track their cars like that, even. I haven't heard any problems about cats melting, is this a concern? Or does it affect OEM ceramic cats differently than metallic, high flow cats?

I plan to get a Berk catted front pipe, which IIRC uses a Magnaflow cat. Running the OFT E85 tune.

s2d4 06-16-2014 05:45 AM

Is he saying running e85 was the reason for the melting cat?

unsurety 06-16-2014 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by s2d4 (Post 1798462)
Is he saying running e85 was the reason for the melting cat?

Initially I thought the higher EGTs due to the turbo would have caused that. We both knew that E85 is supposed to burn cleaner... but he told me that E85 leaves deposits on the honeycomb. Something about sugar content in E85.

Could be increased boost too? My friend didn't say it was guaranteed, just to be wary of it. If it's temperature related, I'm not too worried. Catless header, catted FP is the plan.

zooki 06-16-2014 06:19 AM

If I'm not mistaken I think E85 burns cooler than normal gasoline. I think it would actually take longer to heat up the converters to optimum temperature. But I could be mistaken.

unsurety 06-16-2014 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zooki (Post 1798478)
If I'm not mistaken I think E85 burns cooler than normal gasoline. I think it would actually take longer to heat up the converters to optimum temperature. But I could be mistaken.

You're right in a way, it does have a cooling effect. It lower IATs if I'm not mistaken.

The problem he described is the deposits clump up. If it doesn't clog the cat, it forms a mass that absorbs more heat and takes longer to dissipate heat. And so the HFC turns into a straight pipe.

s2d4 06-16-2014 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by unsurety (Post 1798476)
but he told me that E85 leaves deposits on the honeycomb. Something about sugar content in E85.

What happens when you leave some ethanol in a cup?

steve99 06-16-2014 10:09 AM

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reeves 06-17-2014 07:19 AM

Until I see a hole in my catalytic converter, I'm not too concerned.

djliquidsteele 06-17-2014 07:23 PM

Run 0 cats with E85. Smells nice. Problem solved. Because Racecar!!

unsurety 06-17-2014 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by djliquidsteele (Post 1801515)
Run 0 cats with E85. Smells nice. Problem solved. Because Racecar!!

If it weren't for rasp and drone, I'd go catless.

With a V8 or turbo engine you can just weld in multiple resonators... not sure if that would sound nice with our cars.

s2d4 06-17-2014 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by unsurety (Post 1801876)
If it weren't for rasp and drone, I'd go catless.

Keep stock midpipe and CBE.

BadBRZ 06-17-2014 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by reeves (Post 1800327)
Until I see a hole in my catalytic converter, I'm not too concerned.

there are thousands of holes in your cats ....

why would another one concern you?

Reaper 06-18-2014 12:00 AM

Every flex fuel vehicle on the market today uses cats made of the same material and they dont have problems.

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djliquidsteele 06-19-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by unsurety (Post 1801876)
If it weren't for rasp and drone, I'd go catless.

With a V8 or turbo engine you can just weld in multiple resonators... not sure if that would sound nice with our cars.

I still have the stock header so I do have 1 cat, but I am running Motiv overpipe, motif catless mid pipe, and mach v dual exit muffler delete. I have no complaints about the sound. We'll see if I still think so once I go with a header.

I always refer to the Griffon Concept car though. Full catless and I absolutely love the sound.


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