Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1773190)

I'm at high RPM on the track all the time and on tracks with any decent straightaway the damn car needs more power.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1773220)

What have you done power-wise to it?

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1773232)

Nothing. Well an axleback and intake, so nothing except noise to hear the engine with a helmet on.

As a point of comparison my stock (completely except for a missing intake resonator) 170bhp Integra walks those same Miatas at Sebring. The Integra weighs a bit less though. Based on GPS data it's about 10-15mph higher terminal speeds on the back straight and the BRZ exits 5-6mph faster from T16.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1773260)

If you want to stay NA, you could look at a setup like @ATL BRZ has on his car. He's running a flex fuel kit, E85, full exhaust, and an aggressive tune, and getting about 200 hp at the wheels.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1773260)

If you want to stay NA, you could look at a setup like @ATL BRZ has on his car. He's running a flex fuel kit, E85, full exhaust, and an aggressive tune, and getting about 200 hp at the wheels.

The only thing I've done power-wise is an OFT stage 1, but even that is a tremendous improvement. It pulls cleanly all the way up to redline now; there's no, or very minimal, dip in torque anymore. Once I go to header and stage 2, it'll just get better. I'm going to do the Crawford intake manifold spacers, just because I use my car for DD, so I want to push the peak torque and hp to a lower RPM range where I spend more time. That may not be ideal for a track car, because you spend all your time at 6-7.4K RPM anyways.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1773406)

Having to modify a 200bhp car to be as fast as a 14 year old 170bhp car does seem silly :)

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1773190)

I'm at high RPM on the track all the time and on tracks with any decent straightaway the damn car needs more power. it doesn't need 400hp. It just needs a little more, but when a f$cking spec miata PULLS on my on the back straight at sebring when I had higher exit speeds (based on data logging) then the damn car needs more power lol

Overall my opinion of the twins is that they are great drivers cars. I don't use mine anymore because the M3 is simply a better daily driver in every way except fuel economy and the track car has full safety gear where the BRZ doesn't. Moving cars to get the BRZ out of the garage is more hassle than it's worth for occasional weekend drives. If I didn't have the M3 I'd still be DD'ing the BRZ and enjoying it though. I really need to stop buying cars with similar characteristics.

I'm at the point where I either need to sell the M3 and do a NA build of the BRZ (or just his the easy button and boost it) or sell the BRZ and get something completely different (vintage probably..). The BRZ's biggest cons IMO are the power/torque dip and the less than bulletproof reliability we've seen so far. The trans is good (not perfect but good), the engine is mostly shit in stock form, the interior is very good for the price point of the car IMO, the steering is fantastic, and the chassis is pretty damn good too. Brakes are decent but I don't run the stock fronts anymore anyways.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1773446)

It does, but you know better than I that a whole lot comes down to drivetrain loss and vehicle weight. And a 2000 GS-R can be stripped down to be super light, if it's a pure track car. And modding is fun and makes for a more enjoyable car! :D

Here's a dyno graph for a vehicle with a header, catback, Crawford BPB, and tune making 188 WHP on 93 octane. That's not even extensive, as far as mods go.

http://i.imgur.com/27vg8EB.jpg

From this thread.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1773506)

I can say after driving my BRZ from Delaware to Las Vegas, it is a wonderful car for long trips! As long as you're the only one in the car and don't mind the suspension, that is. My poor car got a big rock chip on the windshield though; I need to get that replaced. :(

What if you sold either the M3 or the BRZ and got a Cadillac CTS or something? Super plush and comfy for driving around daily. Or an Acura TL or similar.

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1773551)

Get an '81 Porsche 911SC. Roll in classic style.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1773190)

I'm at high RPM on the track all the time and on tracks with any decent straightaway the damn car needs more power. it doesn't need 400hp. It just needs a little more, but when a f$cking spec miata PULLS on my on the back straight at sebring when I had higher exit speeds (based on data logging) then the damn car needs more power lol

Overall my opinion of the twins is that they are great drivers cars. I don't use mine anymore because the M3 is simply a better daily driver in every way except fuel economy and the track car has full safety gear where the BRZ doesn't. Moving cars to get the BRZ out of the garage is more hassle than it's worth for occasional weekend drives. If I didn't have the M3 I'd still be DD'ing the BRZ and enjoying it though. I really need to stop buying cars with similar characteristics.

I'm at the point where I either need to sell the M3 and do a NA build of the BRZ (or just his the easy button and boost it) or sell the BRZ and get something completely different (vintage probably..). The BRZ's biggest cons IMO are the power/torque dip and the less than bulletproof reliability we've seen so far. The trans is good (not perfect but good), the engine is mostly shit in stock form, the interior is very good for the price point of the car IMO, the steering is fantastic, and the chassis is pretty damn good too. Brakes are decent but I don't run the stock fronts anymore anyways.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1773639)

I'd want a G50 3.2 at least. I do enjoy those cars, rebuild a 83 SC, modified a RS America (964), some 914 stuff. I've looked at them on and off but are they really different enough from the other cars to bother with? Can't decide so far.