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dp1 05-20-2014 12:50 AM

Oil temps with JR SC and JR oil cooler
 
NJMP track, around 70F ambient, oil temps consistently just over 245F. @CSG Mike, is this in the ballpark of what's expected? I know that the JR oil cooler is pretty new, looking for other points of reference.

Also, checked water temp with the Koyo rad a couple of times and it was in the 200-teens.

CSG Mike 05-20-2014 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dp1 (Post 1747647)
NJMP track, around 70F ambient, oil temps consistently just over 245F. @CSG Mike, is this in the ballpark of what's expected? I know that the JR oil cooler is pretty new, looking for other points of reference.

Also, checked water temp with the Koyo rad a couple of times and it was in the 200-teens.

Your temps are higher than what we've seen. What weight oil are you using, and are you using a custom tune? Is your Koyo radiator shrouded and ducted like the stock one?

Also, custom tune or Jackson Racing tune?

dp1 05-20-2014 08:46 AM

Oil temps with JR SC and JR oil cooler
 
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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1747936)
Your temps are higher than what we've seen. What weight oil are you using, and are you using a custom tune? Is your Koyo radiator shrouded and ducted like the stock one?

Also, custom tune or Jackson Racing tune?


I will defer to @PrimeMotoring and @JuniorAWD for details. They used Motul 8100 0W20 oil and it's a custom dyno tune.

Dezoris 05-20-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dp1 (Post 1747647)
NJMP track, around 70F ambient, oil temps consistently just over 245F. @CSG Mike, is this in the ballpark of what's expected? I know that the JR oil cooler is pretty new, looking for other points of reference.

Also, checked water temp with the Koyo rad a couple of times and it was in the 200-teens.

Have your tuner drop your fan activation point to 200F, will keep coolant at 198-205F on the track and drop your oil temps down by 10F.

I am on 0W20 as well and after about 25-30 minutes oil temps hit 245F on my setup as well. In the straights they tend to drop to around 230F.

dp1 07-21-2014 07:36 AM

Oil temps with JR SC and JR oil cooler
 
Update (@Dezoris, @CSG Mike): Got a new car after the "flying wheel" accident, this time MT. Peak oil temps were 256F on track. Tried new tuner @moto-mike who discovered a bad tune, fried/shrunk header cat, slightly shrunk front pipe cat, exhaust leak at the header due to two missing header nuts on one side and another small leak at the front pipe flange. Once fried cat element was removed (cut/remove/weld), car retuned, and oil changed to euro Castrol 0w30, oil temps got up to 226F with hard driving on track at low 70s ambient. Replacing P&L catted return pipe with catless, P&L front pipe and Perrin (had a lot of soot with the old tune) to start new, and touching up tune, this Wednesday at moto-east. All is well.

CSG Mike 07-21-2014 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dp1 (Post 1856836)
Update (@Dezoris, @CSG Mike): Got a new car after the "flying wheel" accident, this time MT. Peak oil temps were 256F on track. Tried new tuner @moto-mike who discovered a bad tune, fried/shrunk header cat, slightly shrunk front pipe cat, exhaust leak at the header due to two missing header nuts on one side and another small leak at the front pipe flange. Once fried cat element was removed (cut/remove/weld), car retuned, and oil changed to euro Castrol 0w30, oil temps got up to 226F with hard driving on track at low 70s ambient. Replacing P&L catted return pipe with catless, P&L front pipe and Perrin (had a lot of soot with the old tune) to start new, and touching up tune, this Wednesday at moto-east. All is well.

Sounds good! Lower temps are always better when running hard.

If you have an opportunity, do a stress test on the oil cooler by going on the highway, and sitting in 3rd gear. The goal is to keep the RPMs really high, which is where the oil temp really comes from.

Dezoris 07-21-2014 03:42 PM

These results are excellent, Id like to see your cruising temps as well. How long were your sessions when you hit 226F?

CSG Mike 07-21-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1857606)
These results are excellent, Id like to see your cruising temps as well. How long were your sessions when you hit 226F?

Different car, but our cruising temps are usually 185-195 at "normal" RPMs. If its stop and go traffic, it may get up to 205, but I've not yet seen higher, even with 105F + ambient temps.

Under spirited driving, it usually stabilizes at about 215-230F, depending on how hard I'm driving and ambient temp.

At the track, going for hot laps, oil usually stabilizes at 245F or so, in 110F + ambient.

On the highway, stressing the engine purposely (sitting at 7000 RPM) in 3rd gear at 75-80MPH, we can also get the oil up to 245F, but this is done only to prove a point. You'll never actually be sitting at this RPM, even on track.

YMMV, but chances are 99% of end users will see lower temps than us, since we're purposely stressing the system as hard as we can, and do our testing in the desert.

dp1 07-21-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1857606)
These results are excellent, Id like to see your cruising temps as well. How long were your sessions when you hit 226F?


I will pay closer attention (tune is just over a week old) but street/hwy temps are somewhere in the 175-195F range. I didn't need to stay at redline for long on this track and sessions were 20min long. 226F peak temps were consistent even when I pushed the hardest...stayed in 4th gear near redline for a little while on NJMP Lightning before turn 7 and read 226F peak several times on the P3. I think I was at about 185F warmed up before going out. Average speed 77 to just over 80mph.

dp1 07-21-2014 11:53 PM

Just checked, in more stop and less go traffic at 72F ambient, oil peaked at 208F.

dp1 07-22-2014 01:08 AM

Same ambient, cruising, 175-180F

wizzo 07-22-2014 09:48 PM

Would benefits be had by using a larger setrab oil cooler possibly?

ddeflyer 07-29-2014 01:48 PM

I have the NA JR oil cooler (I am NA with stock tune, using 0w20 300V) on my car and have a max oil temp of 235F at Thunderhill in ~103F ambient. Is this abnormally high? In cooler weather before getting the oil cooler I was easily hitting 270F, probably peaking at or close to 280F (didn't have good logging then).

Sleepless 07-29-2014 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ddeflyer (Post 1871205)
I have the NA JR oil cooler (I am NA with stock tune, using 0w20 300V) on my car and have a max oil temp of 235F at Thunderhill in ~103F ambient. Is this abnormally high? In cooler weather before getting the oil cooler I was easily hitting 270F, probably peaking at or close to 280F (didn't have good logging then).

This matches what I see with the Perrin cooler (which I believe is the same as the JR). I've seen others post the same temps for NA.


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