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SeanRTR 05-15-2014 10:19 PM
2015 Model FRS suspension changes
 
Does anyone have any specifics regarding the 2015 FRS suspension changes? They've said changes will be made to improve the "stability" of the handling. I assume decreased dampening in the rear and maybe stiffer front springs, but does anyone know exactly what has changed?

speargunsandracecars 05-15-2014 11:16 PM
Nothing specific yet. But I personally think that Toyota decided to outfit the FRS with the BRZ's superior(IMO) shock/spring setup. You know, to prevent idiots from wrapping their brand new cars around unsuspecting trees.

Ro_Ja 05-15-2014 11:58 PM
The dampers are now made by Sachs (replaces Showa, IIRC) and the redesigned suspension bolts.

ayau 05-16-2014 01:02 AM
Probably just the bolts.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64039

nikitopo 05-16-2014 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ro_Ja (Post 1740593)
The dampers are now made by Sachs (replaces Showa, IIRC) and the redesigned suspension bolts.
Correct.

wparsons 05-16-2014 11:28 AM
The FRS' don't spin because of their spring rates, they spin because people don't know how to drive RWD cars.

My car on stock springs but stickier tires was definitely easier to get pushing than to get it to spin when driven properly (ie not hammering on the gas mid corner). On the Swift FRS rate springs it's even easier to get it pushing, even on a wet skidpad.

speargunsandracecars 05-16-2014 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 1741258)
The FRS' don't spin because of their spring rates, they spin because people don't know how to drive RWD cars.

My car on stock springs but stickier tires was definitely easier to get pushing than to get it to spin when driven properly (ie not hammering on the gas mid corner). On the Swift FRS rate springs it's even easier to get it pushing, even on a wet skidpad.

Definitely agree with that. However, compared to most cars on the road, the Twins are significantly easier to induce oversteer. Even more so with the FRS. Pair it with economy tires, and it's a recipe for disaster with wannabe drifters. While I don't agree with Toyota's decision to neuter the FRS' suspension, I understand the need for them to cover their asses. It was bound to happen. Remember the AP1 S2000?

Hanakuso 05-16-2014 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ro_Ja (Post 1740593)
The dampers are now made by Sachs (replaces Showa, IIRC) and the redesigned suspension bolts.
Where did you get the info on the Sachs dampers?

ayau 05-16-2014 02:56 PM
I have a feeling the changes over time will be similar to the S2000s. Just small changes to the springs/dampers but the chassis/engine will remain the same.

ayau 05-16-2014 02:57 PM
Just FYI, MY2014 models already use the updated bolts. If you call your local Subaru parts dealer, the MY2014 models will have different part numbers compared to the MY2013. I forgot to ask if the dampers and springs were the same though.

Boxer486 05-16-2014 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ayau (Post 1741735)
Just FYI, MY2014 models already use the updated bolts. If you call your local Subaru parts dealer, the MY2014 models will have different part numbers compared to the MY2013. I forgot to ask if the dampers and springs were the same though.
Can they get them?

jvincent 05-16-2014 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 1741258)
The FRS' don't spin because of their spring rates, they spin because people don't know how to drive RWD cars
Where is our dear departed Suberman when we need him! :D

Dadhawk 05-16-2014 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by speargunsandracecars (Post 1740500)
Nothing specific yet. But I personally think that Toyota decided to outfit the FRS with the BRZ's superior(IMO) shock/spring setup. You know, to prevent idiots from wrapping their brand new cars around unsuspecting trees.
But wait, that is why I wanted the FR-S to begin with...I hate unsuspecting trees. Always in the middle of the road, just standing there....

skyloran 05-16-2014 04:28 PM
that is sick.


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