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any thoghts on the yellow 1.0. I am goign to upt a deposit down on it as soon as it becomes avalible.

Does anyone know if it is goign to come with options like the TRDwheels or heated leather seats.

I just sold my white out so I hae the money for hte down payment. I lovee the body kit and the quad tip exchasust.

I wold love to add the GPS , heated leather seats and the subwoofer. anhyone with an info let me know.

That wouls be great sorry if there is already a thread abiout this I just couldnt find it.

Thanks
Dan

I talked to my sales rep but he said he doesnt have much info on it he said they are keeping it all top secret until it drops. He said the heated leather are not an issuse as they have a company down the street that does there leather. I just hope they finally offer us all the fatory options that the 86 has overseas:party0030:

From what little information I've seen or heard I think it'll just be like a TRD version of a Monogram FRS. So the seats probably are leather and heated. But I could be completely wrong. The yellow looks cool though, it'll probably be like the Voltage TC that came out a while ago.

Is this English?

You probably could have bought the body kit for the car a couple months after it came out……just sayin'….and the car has the same pathetic horsepower, and more weight :iono:

Damn, bro... Work on that English.

Yes its english sorry typing from my phone.

I looked onlone, the exhaust alone is 1777.00 I guess all things considerded hat the price would be close to the same if I would have bought al the pieces seperatley I guess I just want something different that being the limited edition yellow color, who knows I change m mind likeI chance my pants I could end up witha BRZ if they were to come out with a STI version. At anyrate, anyone who has a monogram did it have different color options or the quad tip exhaust ?

Holding out here for the '16 FRBZ-86 Re-Release 1.5 Monogramaphone STD. 10K more, 500 pounds heavier, same car.

not sure if serious or joking cuz I'm still rolling on the floor. :bellyroll: Never the less I think BRZ tS might come out just around the same time so hold your horses bro.

The horsepower is more than adequate.

Someone should lock this thread. OP is out of control.

More than adiquate for??????? Stock the car is lightweight. Keep the horsepower the same, add a body kit, and a bunch of other crap to make it "limited" and the car weighs more. So you take 200 bhp and add more weight and the car gets slower. Biggest complaint that any review has given this car is HP. It's not being helped by adding more weight. Just sayin'

Panties in knots. Everywhere.

If you have a passenger you add weight and your car is slower. OH, THE HUMANITY!

Agreed, so lets add more weight to the car from the factory to add to that! Genius! Weight doesn't matter anyway in such a high horsepower car that's main selling point is it's enormous weight….oh wait….I mean, weight…maybe I got that backwards….

The body kit weight is negligible. 30lbs max. You better not be more than 30lbs over your minimal weight, Mr. Racecar.

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You do realize that people add lightweight batteries, aftermarket exhausts, pull out sound deadening to save a couple pounds. It's not the weight I have an issue so much that it's useless weight. If it was functional aero, or weight in the rear only (bringing the car to that 50/50 weight distribution, I'd be all over it.

Think about companies that build "off the shelf" race cars. M3 lightweight, M3 CSL, cobra R, boss Laguna Seca. Functional aero or weight reduction. That would be a "special edition" I would like to see :cheers:


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If you fill your tank up to full you add a lot more weight than if you drive around on empty. Or is a full tank of gas functional weight? Let's consult with our sports car engineer here for a definitive answer.

How is any of this relevant ? Who knows why op wants the car or what his plans are.... Let him get what he wants and be happy. His goals and likes are not the same as all of ours.

it'll probably be a bit more that a limited BRZ, and people still love that.

in fact, it's basically a limited BRZ with no heated seats and a bodykit

they didn't exactly drop an anvil in the trunk...

so i don't see why people are so uptight.

not everyone wants to drive a race car dude

some people like to drive a fun car, and maybe have a nice(er) interior to look at.

it's one thing to like a style of car. but don't go around shitting on other people just because the added around 30lbs to their car.

let's put it in perspective. If i were to go out and buy full groceries for my family right now, it'd all accumulate to around 60-80lbs and the car doesn't even flinch.

furthermore, look waaaaaaaaay back to when we first got the specs on the twins. they were designed to be well-balanced, fun cars, that could also be practical(i.e. CARRY THINGS) the interior was laid out so it could accommodate 4 full-size tires and rims, a tool box, and a jack. or for those who aren't track day fanatics it was built to accommodate 2 full sized golf bags, or a bike.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1340968697

to put it bluntly,

30lbs AIN'T SHIT TO THIS CAR!










-neme

IMO if I were going to get a release series 1.0, First is to get the black TRD wheels as a dealer installed option, I think that would probably be around $1,600-2,000. Then second is get the OEM audio + 400 reference upgrade, subwoofer painted to match of course with the yellow that is another $1,600-2000 depending on self install vs dealer install etc. I believe the 2014 head units are coming with GPS but yes if it doesn't have the entune enabled then add that another dealer option that I think is around $1,400. TRD sway bars $400-600. TRD door latch stabilizers $250 from @ft86speedfactory then maybe TRD bucket seats to complete the look, unless it comes with heated leather seats then you are good to go, but I don't think that was part of the release 1.0

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The fact that you used the word "dude" tells me a lot of what I need to know about you, "brah."



You highlighted one portion of my post and neglected the rest. I understand that not everyone wants a race car (there will always be nice, old, gray haired men and woman who will never take a 911 over 65 miles per hour), but when the car is marketed as an autox/race car, it's counterproductive to add useless aero, regardless of the weight (and because it does add UNNECESSARY weight).





As you pointed out,

- The trunk runk can hold 4 tires, a jack and a toolbox



In addition, the car is:

- Lightweight

- Nearly a 50/50 weight distribution

- low center of gravity

- High revving

- Humps on the front end so you know where your tires are going

- Small seering wheel

- Excellent/non-mechanical steering feel.



That sounds like a pretty damn good race car to me….from the factory. Toyota set out to build a car that was pretty much track ready, but still comfortable enough for DD use and something you could drive to the track and back.



And what is the BEST way to make a lower powered car faster? Is it by adding weight? Nope. E36 M is a GREAT example of a car with lower power that uses balance and lack of weight to it's advantage. When is the last time you saw BMW throw 50lbs of useless weight on their cars? (only thing I wish was more common was the sunroof delete option) I would love to get ahold of one of the lightweights that were produced.



I think you missed my point entirely. I'm not uptight at all, but when TRD comes up with something, I expect "Toyota Racing Development" not "Toyota Rice Development."



I'm all for the color of the 1.0 as the yellow looks SICK! I'm more dissappointed that TRD isn't making the car lighter, or adding more power. My origional post was pointing out that the OP just sold one car to buy the EXACT same car but with a body kit.



This is a forum, and this is simply my opinion. Thankfully, last time I checked, I was still allowed to voice that on here.

I don't see the use of adding all that extra weight either. I don't think the horsepower is pathetic though. I think this special edition is kind of dumb. It looks cool but I think the car as it comes as stock (no special edition) leaves a lot of room for the driver to make the decision as to what they want to do with it. The special edition takes away from that but if you like it then go for it.

Did I miss a memo? Is there something wrong with using the word "dude" now?
(Also you misspelled bra. A bra is an undergarment worn by women to support their breasts.)/joke

The more I read your comments the more it looks like your only real gripe with this car is it's body kit.

I mean, take the kit away and you have a yellow monogram series.

Everything you listed is still there...it just has a body kit.

It can still be a track ready daily driver. As I said, 30lbs won't really matter. In fact I say it adds to the challenge.

When has Toyota ever said anything about DEFINITELY increasing the power output or making it faster? All I remember them saying is "maybe" depending on the competition somewhere in 2015.

I don't doubt the E36 M's a balanced car. That was never in question. BMW's add weight to their cars every year. this is because they want the car to be a jack of all trades. They want them to safer, they want them to be cleaner, they want them to be more technical (M5). Power just comes with the territory.

But remember what Tada said, the 86 was to be a bit back to basics. It's supposed to be grounded yet have room for the owner to improve in any way they see fit. He didn't want it to be a world-beater (otherwise we would've gotten another LF-A).

The 86 is the canvas, we are the brush.

This furthers my thought of your only gripe being that it has a body kit.

But here's a question for you. What did you think of the FR-S project car that this one is based off of?

http://www.scion.com/blog/wp-content...4/DSC_0284.jpg

is that one RICE too?

Again, you make it sound like your only gripe is that the car has a body kit.

Also don't be disappointed. you already have your car. it's not like you were chomping at the bits to buy another.

If the OP wants to update, let him update. Plenty of people do this, If I'm not wrong, this is how vehicle leasing came about, to better expedite the process.


Freedom of speech =/= Freedom from Consequence

You can say whatever you like, but in-turn people have the right to react, be it positive, neutral, or negative.

You obviously haven't looked at scions previous release series. It's nothing new...it offers different paint and random add ons. Never was there power bumps or weight reduction as part of the release series unless you want to count a different exhaust for certain RSs. I'm just saying you shouldn't expect more then that from scions release series.

Plus the cars you are mentioning are around $10k+ more then their base models and you know how scion is and their planned marketing. Having a fully race ready TRD equipped fr-s straight from the showroom would be great but honestly its just not going to happen.

Honestly I'm a little perplexed at the whole Special Edition idea. The only Special Edition I feel that the FRS is special is the 10 series it's there to celebrate something like Special anniversary. The Monogram I always saw as like a higher teir FRS, and the Release Series is something that Scion has always done. It's nice that you like it more power to you. But in terms of this is special it's not really that special, in fact none of them is very special. They're all great cars in my book.

Bingo :thumbsup: How'd you guess?;)






All said and done, it's probaby closer to 50lbs considering that the limited BRZ is something like 24 lbs heavier with no body kit.


Don't know what you are talking about here, truthfully. Sorry. I said I would rather them go this rout, but I know there really isn't a plan as of yet.

And yet toyota insists on adding weight without the power increase. I'm fine with more weight if it's (a)fuctional weight, or (b) negated by an increase in power.


We still talking about the car with expensive "pretty parts" added on that got it's ass handed to it by a miata that spent it's money on performance instead of aero? Toyota Racing Developement for the FRS is a joke. I'm hoping it changes, but I'm not holding my breath. Thankfully the aftermarket has jumped in where toyota failed. I see the twins turning a lot of heads in the racing world in the next couple years, and it won't be because of Toyota or Subaru.

I LOVE my car! I really do. Coming from 500rwhp BEASTS and an M3, I'm stoked that this car has not only held my attention, but has caused me to fall in love again with something simple and balanced.

I posted my origional post because he's not updating, or upgrading. He's buying the same car with a different color and a body kit. It's called "marketing"….Something I've studied a lot recently. That's all these special editions are. The only one, as someone has already mentioned, woth buying is going to be the 10 series.

It's a body kit, just like the 5 Axis. Pay per addon. Some people are willing to spend the extra price.

Two words,

The Griffon

http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/...-Griffon-1.jpg

you can't sit there and tell me that this is a joke.


This is arguably the best 86 out there. And what's even more amazing, not only is it a track beast, it's also an R and D vehicle. So some if not all, of it's parts will soon be available for purchase.

TRD is not slouching here.

it just takes time.

agreed.

I can sum your posts up in one word: "troll"

Guess what the griffon doesn't have? (Pointless aero)

And guess what they got rid of (weight)

It's been fun, "dude,". But I am done feeding you :)



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Sorry to jump in, but I've been following you two's convo, and I have this question about something. When you say that the TRD aero is pointless, is there any evidence that it's purely cosmetic? is it really not good for anything at all aside from looks and weight? because I like to argue with you on the fact that it's not pointless, that it has function. I can't make the argument that it's something in your face speed or lightness or anything but just the normal better airflow etc, I need to research about this alittle more to get super technical. But I like to think that Toyota when they made the TRD aero they tested it and it wasn't pointless. I can't speak about the USD copy, I don't even think the quads are the same thing, but I know for a fact Toyota spends time researching and testing for example the NUR kit was in fact tested in Germany.

So just for knowledge at least for me, mind telling me why the TRD kit is pointless? because I've been following this car since it's conception on paper, and I know for a fact they tested the TRD kit several times, I'm speaking for the Japanese part they based it on. It's differences are very minimal to what is one the RS1.0.

Why is the aero on the Yellow car pointless? Thanks.

Respectfully,

Zaku

I'm no troll

-I saw that you were writing the 1.0 off because of it's bodykit.

-I told you it's fine that you don't like it, just don't piss on other people who like it.

-You continued on, saying that the "useless bodykit" adds weight

-I told you that a lot of things add weight, and getting all bent out of shape just because less than 100lbs (arguably less than 50lbs) was added is basically pointless

-You then go on to complain about Toyota's support for the FR-S/86. You say it has been a joke, and they ultimately failed. You praised the aftermarket for stepping up.

-I point out that TRD support for the FR-S/86 has been great, citing the Griffon car as evidence of their developments.

-You call me a troll, and say the Griffon apparently doesn't count because it's has a gutted interior and functional aerodynamics.

We were(are?) debating. I came into thins knowing I would never convince you to like it. I was merely discussing the topic. I never once insulted you. I merely disagreed.

If you would like to continue I'll point this out.

True the Griffon has Aero, and a gutted interior, but it's still a TRD vehicle. And I think it's credible evidence that TRD supports and is developing for the FR-S/86, therefore negating your claim that TRD is a "Joke."

Just because the RS 1.0 isn't a factory-built track monster doesn't mean it's pointless. I pointed it out earlier that some people don't go to track days, or care about going faster. Some just like cruising.

also it occurred to me,

How do we know the aero isn't functional? I can't find any records of a wind tunnel test.

so in reality, that claim is unproven until some tests can be done.

Damn, you beat me to it.

I like one of the things you mentioned, I don't think you're a troll I've seen you here long enough to know you make good educated posts. The other guy too, thought I know him to a lesser extent.

The comment where it's not a track monster, and it's just for cursing and fun. This is where my support of the cabriolet comes from too, I don't think people will buy it to track, most people don't, it's their DD. Heck people who have FRS now or BRZ, not everyone tracks it. I never tracked my BRZ once, if you autocross for example, I don't think it's gonna matter if you have a TRD kit or not. I've seen OLD AE86 out autocross our 86, but that's a whole matter entirely. That car does have some performance enhancements, isn't that Quad better than the stock? isn't a aero kit on a car have some purpose?, also there's no confirmation if the car will have the TRD wheel and Stickier tire option either. The TRD springs on the yellow car I'm sure isn't just for show, you will get some performance benefits out of it. If the car was perfect as it is, then they'll be no need for aftermarket support and R&D to make it better.

Now I like it the way it is too, but I really like it that everyone has a choice and variety. I don't see how the extra items that come with the Yellow car, makes it any less of a performance car, then the stock. And honestly if weight was such a big issue, in Daily driving, I would do what the F1 drivers do eat less lol, I'm a pretty skinny guy but I think that Alonso guy weight even less than I do.

The High Voltage yellow on the tC is different than the FR-S Yuzu. Yuzu is a brighter yellow.

It does not have heated leather seats which would also add to the weight.

As far as why some people are so upset at these models I can't say its something new. I'm sure it's partially buyers remorse for getting an FR-S so early.

Also most things from TRD do help aero.

It doesn't come with heated seats, it's closer to the 10 Series than the Monogram -with a body kit, yuzu yellow instead of silver ignition, quad tip exhaust instead of light up badges and limited to 1,500 instead of 2,500.

I have ZERO buyers remorse. Not a bit actually.


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I guess the best way of answering your question is explaining what I've learned working on my cobra setting it up for tracking. Sorry about the pics, they are a picture of a picture, but I used what I could

Think of aero in terms of low pressure and high pressure on the car. Here is what I think is a TRD body kit. I marked the pressure with red being the high pressure and green being low pressure.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h8...psacdcd09c.jpg

Here's why the griffon works

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h8...ps4d9bf673.jpg

The canards create the downforce for the front and the wing sits right in the high pressure area coming off the roof. You now have a low pressure spot UNDER the car, pushing the car down (good thing).

I WANT THAT HOOD as it is a true heat extractor hood and creates a low presseure area behind the radiator, literally sucking the hot air from the engine and pulling air from the radiator (which faces slightly upward) They used aero to their advantage to cool the car.

If you think about the car in terms of low pressure and high pressure areas, you can answer your own question on whether or not the 1.0 series is fuctional. Of course any aero is going to do something, but in the 1.0 series and the TRD kit, not much.

All the stuff coming out of these cars DID have a racing start, but MOST of the front lips people are putting on these cars aren't functional. They look cool, but they aren't doing what they are supposed to. IMHO function over form. I'll take something that ACTUALLY WORKS over something that looks cool.

It's the reason why I went with a wing that was taped on….so I could bolt on a fuctional wing in the future and pull the stillen wing off. I also plan on putting on a fuctional lip, which looks like it's about to come out by one of our forum venders. Stoked!

I hope all that makes sense. :cheers::cheers: