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WOW! Did somebody really just compare the FRS to the LFA or am I high on crystal meth?

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Originally Posted by MokSpeed (Post 1731110)

WOW! Did somebody really just compare the FRS to the LFA or am I high on crystal meth?

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Anyone know if the "black seats" are like the alcantara ones? I have seen only 1 picture which only shows the sides of the seats and it does look like some kind of suede material.

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Originally Posted by MokSpeed (Post 1731110)

WOW! Did somebody really just compare the FRS to the LFA or am I high on crystal meth?

Probably both.

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Originally Posted by Chaetagnath (Post 1731158)

Probably both.

I'm gonna vote crystal meth

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Originally Posted by maxeveland (Post 1731115)

Anyone know if the "black seats" are like the alcantara ones? I have seen only 1 picture which only shows the sides of the seats and it does look like some kind of suede material.

from what i've seen, the seats are fabric with the toyota "t" pattern instead of the red inserts.

I don't think a lot of people understand what "special editions" and all that BS is.

It's a way to clear out inventory on parts manufacturers are losing money on from over ordering from suppliers.

They then market it as "special or limited" mark it up and people go nuts for it.
I get that some of it is a bargain, but there is nothing special about it.

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Originally Posted by suaveflooder (Post 1730459)

I guess the best way of answering your question is explaining what I've learned working on my cobra setting it up for tracking. Sorry about the pics, they are a picture of a picture, but I used what I could

Think of aero in terms of low pressure and high pressure on the car. Here is what I think is a TRD body kit. I marked the pressure with red being the high pressure and green being low pressure.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h8...psacdcd09c.jpg

Here's why the griffon works

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h8...ps4d9bf673.jpg

The canards create the downforce for the front and the wing sits right in the high pressure area coming off the roof. You now have a low pressure spot UNDER the car, pushing the car down (good thing).

I WANT THAT HOOD as it is a true heat extractor hood and creates a low presseure area behind the radiator, literally sucking the hot air from the engine and pulling air from the radiator (which faces slightly upward) They used aero to their advantage to cool the car.

If you think about the car in terms of low pressure and high pressure areas, you can answer your own question on whether or not the 1.0 series is fuctional. Of course any aero is going to do something, but in the 1.0 series and the TRD kit, not much.

All the stuff coming out of these cars DID have a racing start, but MOST of the front lips people are putting on these cars aren't functional. They look cool, but they aren't doing what they are supposed to. IMHO function over form. I'll take something that ACTUALLY WORKS over something that looks cool.

It's the reason why I went with a wing that was taped on….so I could bolt on a fuctional wing in the future and pull the stillen wing off. I also plan on putting on a fuctional lip, which looks like it's about to come out by one of our forum venders. Stoked!

I hope all that makes sense. :cheers::cheers:

I does make sense. However looking at your diagrams both the TRD kit and the Griffon improve air flow, just the griffon does it better.

Infact, let's compare some more.

Here's the JDM TRD kit.
http://cdn.wall88.com/51983b314e2e262745.jpg

And here's the USDM TRD kit.
http://image.importtuner.com/f/featu...S1-profile.jpg

now, looking at the two. You're right about them being more or less the same. However, I think it could be argued that the USDM kit may be just a bit better based on a few factors.

1. No front license plate holder to block and/or disrupt airflow

2. A broader wing at the back that conforms to the natural shape of the rear.

It's no doubt that the Griffon is the better car. But as we know the areo on that car is,

1. Still in development.

2. Going to be balls to the wall expensive when and if it is released to the public.

3. It's also a widebody kit. And I can't think of any car that was sold in the us with a widebody kit from the factory.

So it would make sense for TRD to release a slightly improved version of the JDM kit rather than sky-jacking the price of the car by adding the Griffon's super-functional aero.

I mean this isn't new for TRD

Remember the hardcore MR2 and Supra?

http://mr2oc.co.uk/ku2/trdbrochure/trd1.jpg

http://www.jdmeuro.com/wp-content/up...3000gt_800.jpg

I'm sure the 86 will be no different.

So to reiterate, the aero looks to be slightly more functional than the JDM kit. so i wouldn't write it off completely just yet. It still has to be tested.

I mean would you rather have the Nur kit instead?

http://www.racing5.cl/wp-content/gal...t/AY0F2805.jpg

it was tested, and it was used in the development of the standard car. so we know it works (even though that wing is still uglier than sin).

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Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909 (Post 1730033)

I'm no troll

-I saw that you were writing the 1.0 off because of it's bodykit.

-I told you it's fine that you don't like it, just don't piss on other people who like it.

-You continued on, saying that the "useless bodykit" adds weight

-I told you that a lot of things add weight, and getting all bent out of shape just because less than 100lbs (arguably less than 50lbs) was added is basically pointless

-You then go on to complain about Toyota's support for the FR-S/86. You say it has been a joke, and they ultimately failed. You praised the aftermarket for stepping up.

-I point out that TRD support for the FR-S/86 has been great, citing the Griffon car as evidence of their developments.

-You call me a troll, and say the Griffon apparently doesn't count because it's has a gutted interior and functional aerodynamics.

We were(are?) debating. I came into thins knowing I would never convince you to like it. I was merely discussing the topic. I never once insulted you. I merely disagreed.

If you would like to continue I'll point this out.

True the Griffon has Aero, and a gutted interior, but it's still a TRD vehicle. And I think it's credible evidence that TRD supports and is developing for the FR-S/86, therefore negating your claim that TRD is a "Joke."

Just because the RS 1.0 isn't a factory-built track monster doesn't mean it's pointless. I pointed it out earlier that some people don't go to track days, or care about going faster. Some just like cruising.

also it occurred to me,

How do we know the aero isn't functional? I can't find any records of a wind tunnel test.

so in reality, that claim is unproven until some tests can be done.

I think that other guy just needs to remove his bumpers and passenger seats to save more weight. Cus you know, racecar

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Originally Posted by Wilsonk227 (Post 1731457)

I think that other guy just needs to remove his bumpers and passenger seats to save more weight. Cus you know, racecar

Toyota sould've sent a small number of these to the states or at least let them be custom orders.

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gal...6-rc-model.jpg

for those people who want to shed all weight

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Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909 (Post 1731490)

Toyota sould've sent a small number of these to the states or at least let them be custom orders.

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gal...6-rc-model.jpg

for those people who want to shed all weight

lol im sure those would sell pretty well too! i mean there's no "pretty parts" on it

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Originally Posted by Wilsonk227 (Post 1731591)

lol im sure those would sell pretty well too! i mean there's no "pretty parts" on it

I genuinely think it was a missed opportunity on their part.

but then again Japan keeping the good stuff for themselves isn't anything new.

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Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909 (Post 1731625)

I genuinely think it was a missed opportunity on their part.

but then again Japan keeping the good stuff for themselves isn't anything new.

i agree, a lot more people who want the car for tracking and etc can get it for WAY cheaper. Would've been a nice edition to have. Just as nice as the RS 1.0. I think the people who are bashing on the RS 1.0 is forgetting a couple of things. Business and more choices for consumers. I love the fact that if I wanted an FRS or BRZ, i could easily choose from 4 different kinds. Regular FRS, Monogram FRS, RS 1.0 or a limited BRZ. How great is that ? :D