The body kit weight is negligible. 30lbs max. You better not be more than 30lbs over your minimal weight, Mr. Racecar.

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You do realize that people add lightweight batteries, aftermarket exhausts, pull out sound deadening to save a couple pounds. It's not the weight I have an issue so much that it's useless weight. If it was functional aero, or weight in the rear only (bringing the car to that 50/50 weight distribution, I'd be all over it.

Think about companies that build "off the shelf" race cars. M3 lightweight, M3 CSL, cobra R, boss Laguna Seca. Functional aero or weight reduction. That would be a "special edition" I would like to see :cheers:


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If you fill your tank up to full you add a lot more weight than if you drive around on empty. Or is a full tank of gas functional weight? Let's consult with our sports car engineer here for a definitive answer.

How is any of this relevant ? Who knows why op wants the car or what his plans are.... Let him get what he wants and be happy. His goals and likes are not the same as all of ours.

it'll probably be a bit more that a limited BRZ, and people still love that.

in fact, it's basically a limited BRZ with no heated seats and a bodykit

they didn't exactly drop an anvil in the trunk...

so i don't see why people are so uptight.

not everyone wants to drive a race car dude

some people like to drive a fun car, and maybe have a nice(er) interior to look at.

it's one thing to like a style of car. but don't go around shitting on other people just because the added around 30lbs to their car.

let's put it in perspective. If i were to go out and buy full groceries for my family right now, it'd all accumulate to around 60-80lbs and the car doesn't even flinch.

furthermore, look waaaaaaaaay back to when we first got the specs on the twins. they were designed to be well-balanced, fun cars, that could also be practical(i.e. CARRY THINGS) the interior was laid out so it could accommodate 4 full-size tires and rims, a tool box, and a jack. or for those who aren't track day fanatics it was built to accommodate 2 full sized golf bags, or a bike.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1340968697

to put it bluntly,

30lbs AIN'T SHIT TO THIS CAR!










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IMO if I were going to get a release series 1.0, First is to get the black TRD wheels as a dealer installed option, I think that would probably be around $1,600-2,000. Then second is get the OEM audio + 400 reference upgrade, subwoofer painted to match of course with the yellow that is another $1,600-2000 depending on self install vs dealer install etc. I believe the 2014 head units are coming with GPS but yes if it doesn't have the entune enabled then add that another dealer option that I think is around $1,400. TRD sway bars $400-600. TRD door latch stabilizers $250 from @ft86speedfactory then maybe TRD bucket seats to complete the look, unless it comes with heated leather seats then you are good to go, but I don't think that was part of the release 1.0

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The fact that you used the word "dude" tells me a lot of what I need to know about you, "brah."



You highlighted one portion of my post and neglected the rest. I understand that not everyone wants a race car (there will always be nice, old, gray haired men and woman who will never take a 911 over 65 miles per hour), but when the car is marketed as an autox/race car, it's counterproductive to add useless aero, regardless of the weight (and because it does add UNNECESSARY weight).





As you pointed out,

- The trunk runk can hold 4 tires, a jack and a toolbox



In addition, the car is:

- Lightweight

- Nearly a 50/50 weight distribution

- low center of gravity

- High revving

- Humps on the front end so you know where your tires are going

- Small seering wheel

- Excellent/non-mechanical steering feel.



That sounds like a pretty damn good race car to me….from the factory. Toyota set out to build a car that was pretty much track ready, but still comfortable enough for DD use and something you could drive to the track and back.



And what is the BEST way to make a lower powered car faster? Is it by adding weight? Nope. E36 M is a GREAT example of a car with lower power that uses balance and lack of weight to it's advantage. When is the last time you saw BMW throw 50lbs of useless weight on their cars? (only thing I wish was more common was the sunroof delete option) I would love to get ahold of one of the lightweights that were produced.



I think you missed my point entirely. I'm not uptight at all, but when TRD comes up with something, I expect "Toyota Racing Development" not "Toyota Rice Development."



I'm all for the color of the 1.0 as the yellow looks SICK! I'm more dissappointed that TRD isn't making the car lighter, or adding more power. My origional post was pointing out that the OP just sold one car to buy the EXACT same car but with a body kit.



This is a forum, and this is simply my opinion. Thankfully, last time I checked, I was still allowed to voice that on here.

I don't see the use of adding all that extra weight either. I don't think the horsepower is pathetic though. I think this special edition is kind of dumb. It looks cool but I think the car as it comes as stock (no special edition) leaves a lot of room for the driver to make the decision as to what they want to do with it. The special edition takes away from that but if you like it then go for it.

Did I miss a memo? Is there something wrong with using the word "dude" now?
(Also you misspelled bra. A bra is an undergarment worn by women to support their breasts.)/joke

The more I read your comments the more it looks like your only real gripe with this car is it's body kit.

I mean, take the kit away and you have a yellow monogram series.

Everything you listed is still there...it just has a body kit.

It can still be a track ready daily driver. As I said, 30lbs won't really matter. In fact I say it adds to the challenge.

When has Toyota ever said anything about DEFINITELY increasing the power output or making it faster? All I remember them saying is "maybe" depending on the competition somewhere in 2015.

I don't doubt the E36 M's a balanced car. That was never in question. BMW's add weight to their cars every year. this is because they want the car to be a jack of all trades. They want them to safer, they want them to be cleaner, they want them to be more technical (M5). Power just comes with the territory.

But remember what Tada said, the 86 was to be a bit back to basics. It's supposed to be grounded yet have room for the owner to improve in any way they see fit. He didn't want it to be a world-beater (otherwise we would've gotten another LF-A).

The 86 is the canvas, we are the brush.

This furthers my thought of your only gripe being that it has a body kit.

But here's a question for you. What did you think of the FR-S project car that this one is based off of?

http://www.scion.com/blog/wp-content...4/DSC_0284.jpg

is that one RICE too?

Again, you make it sound like your only gripe is that the car has a body kit.

Also don't be disappointed. you already have your car. it's not like you were chomping at the bits to buy another.

If the OP wants to update, let him update. Plenty of people do this, If I'm not wrong, this is how vehicle leasing came about, to better expedite the process.


Freedom of speech =/= Freedom from Consequence

You can say whatever you like, but in-turn people have the right to react, be it positive, neutral, or negative.

You obviously haven't looked at scions previous release series. It's nothing new...it offers different paint and random add ons. Never was there power bumps or weight reduction as part of the release series unless you want to count a different exhaust for certain RSs. I'm just saying you shouldn't expect more then that from scions release series.

Plus the cars you are mentioning are around $10k+ more then their base models and you know how scion is and their planned marketing. Having a fully race ready TRD equipped fr-s straight from the showroom would be great but honestly its just not going to happen.

Honestly I'm a little perplexed at the whole Special Edition idea. The only Special Edition I feel that the FRS is special is the 10 series it's there to celebrate something like Special anniversary. The Monogram I always saw as like a higher teir FRS, and the Release Series is something that Scion has always done. It's nice that you like it more power to you. But in terms of this is special it's not really that special, in fact none of them is very special. They're all great cars in my book.

Bingo :thumbsup: How'd you guess?;)






All said and done, it's probaby closer to 50lbs considering that the limited BRZ is something like 24 lbs heavier with no body kit.


Don't know what you are talking about here, truthfully. Sorry. I said I would rather them go this rout, but I know there really isn't a plan as of yet.

And yet toyota insists on adding weight without the power increase. I'm fine with more weight if it's (a)fuctional weight, or (b) negated by an increase in power.


We still talking about the car with expensive "pretty parts" added on that got it's ass handed to it by a miata that spent it's money on performance instead of aero? Toyota Racing Developement for the FRS is a joke. I'm hoping it changes, but I'm not holding my breath. Thankfully the aftermarket has jumped in where toyota failed. I see the twins turning a lot of heads in the racing world in the next couple years, and it won't be because of Toyota or Subaru.

I LOVE my car! I really do. Coming from 500rwhp BEASTS and an M3, I'm stoked that this car has not only held my attention, but has caused me to fall in love again with something simple and balanced.

I posted my origional post because he's not updating, or upgrading. He's buying the same car with a different color and a body kit. It's called "marketing"….Something I've studied a lot recently. That's all these special editions are. The only one, as someone has already mentioned, woth buying is going to be the 10 series.

It's a body kit, just like the 5 Axis. Pay per addon. Some people are willing to spend the extra price.