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Porsche 04-29-2014 02:15 AM

I suspect the dip is not so much purposeful as it is an unavoidable consequence of a series of compromises required to meet their goals.

You may wish to examine the dyno curves of the Porsche flat-six in the Boxster/Cayman models. Those curves look very similar to our Subaru engine's curves.

N1rve 04-29-2014 02:29 AM

Maybe the torque dip is to hold the sweet spot when drifting :lol: no sudden kick/acceleration when sliding.

chas3wba0 04-29-2014 02:39 AM

Honestly, I don't mind that this car has more spunk at the upper RPM range rather than running out of juice at the end

continuecrushing 04-29-2014 02:43 AM

Do you guys drive a different car than me? What is all this "low end torque" you keep talking about?

humfrz 04-29-2014 02:47 AM

Oh, well, ...... I just do 90% of my driving below or in the "torque dip", so I just got used to it ....:)

So, the other 10% of the time, when I crank er up past 5,000 RPM's, it's like the 2nd two barrels of the carburetor kicked it .... or VTEC or turbo or a supercharger kicked it (sort of.....http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/wink.gif) ..... which makes me a happy FR-S driver ..... :happyanim:


humfrz

Tromatic 04-29-2014 03:10 AM

It would be better if it was not there, but is it really that hard to learn to drive around it? See what happens when people don't learn to drive/ride on two fifty two strokes? It never it even crossed my mind as being a problem after about a week with the car. Those with MT's have even less room to complain.

j2digit 04-29-2014 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Basket Case (Post 1702361)
You may be in love with a girl with glasses...a hot, skanky one...

what he said, but maybe not a skanky one.............:burnrubber:

Wolfking 04-29-2014 03:34 AM

It is this very torque dip that leads me to believe that I may end up getting t-boned in traffic, if I'm not careful. I'd prefer not to have it. As a biker, my mindset is, on is on and off is off (the throttle). There's no middle ground! Scary, I tell you, scary!

Mikem53 04-29-2014 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche (Post 1703885)
I suspect the dip is not so much purposeful as it is an unavoidable consequence of a series of compromises required to meet their goals.

You may wish to examine the dyno curves of the Porsche flat-six in the Boxster/Cayman models. Those curves look very similar to our Subaru engine's curves.

^^^ this. The way the engine is sandwiched and routing of the exhaust.

raul 04-29-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 1702358)
The prupose is MPG. I find driving in the dip is harder myself. No response from the go peddle when you need it.

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 1702358)
I find driving in the dip is harder myself. No response from the go peddle when you need it.

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 1702358)
No response from the go peddle when you need it.

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 1702358)
from the go peddle when

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 1702358)
peddle

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jjaisli 04-29-2014 10:41 AM

:thumbup::thanks:

LOL I don't want to be a grammar nazi either, but this is kind of funny.

So just for the record, and for future reference:


THIS is a BRAKE PEDAL:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-88Yt2SaHjy...edal041312.jpg

However, THIS is a "break" http://www.isaiahhankel.com/wp-conte...11/Pencil.jpeg

And this is to "peddle": http://oururbantimes.com/sites/defau.../MariaCart.jpg

STV3 04-29-2014 10:49 AM

For one, the dip is no longer an issue for me because I installed my FT86SF Catted UEL header last week.

The problem I had with the dip was during everyday normal driving I didn't want to have to drop the car down 2 gears and Rev it up to 5k just to pass someone or merge into fast moving traffic.

Sport-Tech 04-29-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by STV3 (Post 1704280)
For one, the dip is no longer an issue for me because I installed my FT86SF Catted UEL header last week.

The problem I had with the dip was during everyday normal driving I didn't want to have to drop the car down 2 gears and Rev it up to 5k just to pass someone or merge into fast moving traffic.

That makes perfect sense to me.

BTW does that header give the car a better engine note? Does it sound more like the STI now?

STV3 04-29-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sport-Tech (Post 1704311)
That makes perfect sense to me.

BTW does that header give the car a better engine note? Does it sound more like the STI now?

Yeah it has a nice little rumble. I have it paired with a Motiv catted front pipe and the rest of my exhaust is stock. Gives off a stock WRX sound. I'm very pleased with it.

Edit: Here's a short clip of some revving right after I installed it.

FT86speedfactory catted UEL with catted Motiv FP: [ame]http://youtu.be/BP-dvUp4OCo[/ame]


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