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jc1993 04-19-2014 02:08 AM

3inches or 2.5inches???;)
 
Hey guys i just want to know which is better in a exhaust setup. this of course would be on a n/a build.. when i mean better i mean it as in hp/tq gains. im planning on getting op fp and a catback all the same pipeing size. would this be a good idea? should i mix sizes on pipeing and would it have any benefit? ill appreciate the help thanks!

Bach415 04-19-2014 02:51 AM

From what I have read before, there isn't much gain between 2.5 and 3inches for exhaust on N/A (someone check for me on this). The most gain you would get for sure is noise.

Kostamojen 04-19-2014 03:14 AM

No need for 3" unless you are going FI

Maverick22 04-19-2014 03:26 AM

well according to my ruler its about 9 inches, however I am italian.

wootwoot 04-19-2014 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick22 (Post 1683194)
well according to my ruler its about 9 inches, however I am italian.

You mean 9cm?You are Italian....

transition 04-19-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1683182)
No need for 3" unless you are going FI

Not necessarily true. http://blog.perrinperformance.com/3-...ults-and-tune/

zooki 04-19-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by transition (Post 1683488)

Any independent dyno tests I wonder? Manufacturer's claims are always suspect, at least to me.

Malt 04-19-2014 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by transition (Post 1683488)

I have the perrin 3" exhaust and I love perrin products but you really need to take dyno charts published by companies for what they are, a tool to help them sell a product. Its highly unlikely a 3" exhaust makes 8 more whp than a 2.5" exhaust on a NA engine and independent testers confirm that.

To the OP: stick with a 2.5" exhaust as the increases in volume and rasp (even on the resonated systems) on the 3" exhausts is to excessive IMO.

glamcem 04-19-2014 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by transition (Post 1683488)



Do you have an unbiased, third party dyno results..bigger is not always better ~3-5 whp or wtq difference may occur between pulls, 3" exhaust for NA cars (even for many FI is pointless)

Most of the time 3" becomes necessary at around 400whp levels and I highly doubt third party dyno results show otherwise

This has been debated for years and some people claim too large of an exhaust (for SC not for a turbo application of course) even hurts the low end torque.

Also some superchargers such as Rotrex kits -in general- makes a lot more power up top and lacks some low end power -as opposed to positive displacement SC s- I always thought it would be more beneficial to keep the low end TQ in expense to lose some top end (after 7200 rpm !!) and of course if it makes any difference

Kostamojen 04-19-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by transition (Post 1683488)

IF the header collector was 3" and a 3" over pipe and front pipe were included... then maybe I would agree.

But for just a catback or an exhaust that still has a bunch of restrictions, then no, just stick with 2.5".

I'm also guessing folks with the 3" have more scraping issues with the pipe goiing under the rear subframe..

transition 04-19-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1683696)
IF the header collector was 3" and a 3" over pipe and front pipe were included... then maybe I would agree.

But for just a catback or an exhaust that still has a bunch of restrictions, then no, just stick with 2.5".

I'm also guessing folks with the 3" have more scraping issues with the pipe goiing under the rear subframe..

No, there is no scraping issues with the 3" catback. I had rubbing issues with my JDL overpipe though which is 2.5" - doesn't fit great.

transition 04-19-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by glamcem (Post 1683530)
Do you have an unbiased, third party dyno results..bigger is not always better ~3-5 whp or wtq difference may occur between pulls, 3" exhaust for NA cars (even for many FI is pointless)

Most of the time 3" becomes necessary at around 400whp levels and I highly doubt third party dyno results show otherwise

This has been debated for years and some people claim too large of an exhaust (for SC not for a turbo application of course) even hurts the low end torque.

Also some superchargers such as Rotrex kits -in general- makes a lot more power up top and lacks some low end power -as opposed to positive displacement SC s- I always thought it would be more beneficial to keep the low end TQ in expense to lose some top end (after 7200 rpm !!) and of course if it makes any difference

I have no independent tests although I trust Perrin is one of the more reputable shops. I understand that most manufacturers claims are usually optimistic though.

humfrz 04-19-2014 02:55 PM

I vote for the 2.5" pipe for a NA, FR-S engine.

Why? Because that's what I bought ..... so, it must be .... "right" ....:D


humfrz

jc1993 04-19-2014 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1683182)
No need for 3" unless you are going FI

that's what i hear from guys with fi :/


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