I really think Subaru should just kill off the Scion brand and sell the current FR-S as a Toyota badge. It was an experiment for Toyota and, looking at sales numbers, it needs to be put out of it's misery.

Already is.

There have always been special editions since Scion's introduction in 2003. It seems that the Scion name is catching a lot of flak from some users, and most of them are first timers to the brand because of the FR-S.

There is nothing majorly wrong with how Scion executes their lineup, Don't blame them for Toyota's higher up mistake, of branding the 86 under the Scion name. Although I do not agree with it, it was to be expected. Toyota want's the Scion brand to succeed. This has caused a lot of confusion because some of the "first timers" are only here because of the popularity of the 86. The Scion philosophy has always been about attracting younger buyers with an inexpensive, economical, fun car, (the middle a category that the FR-S has trouble fitting into.) So it's only natural for people to blame Scion for their decisions, but they have always been that way - and it has, for the most part, always worked. I loved my tC and the Release Series models did nothing but good things-add fun and options for owners.

However, I think we are unfortunate to have the 86 branded under the Scion name. Almost all of the Scion models were North American exclusive or made from concepts and manufactured solely for NA. (I know the tC starting selling under the Zelas model for the second gen overseas)The 86 is different in the fact that it's a true Toyota model in Japan. Also, I strongly feel that Scion does a terrible job at advertising and promoting this car. It defiantly deserves a more mature go.

The 86 took inspiration from the 2000GT's styling. It was never intended as a successor.

ditch scion... and I'll consider trading my brz for a gt86..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...R2_W20_002.JPG

Updated styling of this please...
They should make Scion the "sporty car brand" of Toyota, and not boxes..

My only big thing, is everyone complaining about "ricing" the car...a lip kit(which most people use no matter what trim they have), a shark fin(once again, I believe more people want the shark fin over the stock), and an exhaust(how many aftermarkets have been added?) makes it "rice"?

Are we just upset that Toyota is factory adding the exact things most people WANT on the car and therefore buy aftermarket anyways? Perhaps it's just the demographic. Where I live, "rice" means something completely different...

I think they can all be added.. As long as it's tasteful, and it's not heavily modified..

Nothing like this.
http://honda-tech.com/attachment.php...1&d=1230836601

To be expected, other than the generous facelift to the tC, the other vehicles have remained the same for awhile.

My thoughts:
- Toyota Auris with some exterior changes to replace the xD. It's something like a Matrix replacement which Toyota lacks in their current line up (unless there is plans for a Corolla hatch in near future).
- Interior refresh on tC, the exterior is good for a couple years.
- iQ can refresh once Toyota iQ does.
- xB can turned into a rugged small suv. Something to compete against the upcoming Jeep Renegade, and steal sales away from Jeep Wrangler while also filling the void of the late-FJ cruiser for Toyota off-roading enthusiasts.

Bring back the Supra!!

I believe that is part of the plan

We can only hope....:bow:

Nick C.

I would be first on line for that. But, according to what I have read, they are saying like 60k. Sigh.

That's not much more compared to what it sold for and what it went for in today's $$: http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...oday-s-dollars

Credit: Josh S

Nick C.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/toyota/...a-ar99796.html

2015?? I'm going to wait for a few years (a bunch of years) when I can get a used one. I didn't realize they were that much in the day.

Scion's worst competition has been Toyota! There's been too much overlap between both brands' lineups both competing for the same young customers. Yaris VS xA/xD/iQ, youth focused marketing of the new Corolla vs Scion and partially the tC. I think there's some partial overlap with the Prius C as well. The only two unique products left are the FR-S and the long-in-the-tooth xB.

I thought Scion had something going with the more Japanese stylized cars when the first xB came out, but Scion watered down the entire lineup with the second generation. No new, quirky, JDM cars. No more "experiments," with product. Scion has still kept their crazy marketing but they need product to sell!

Scion also dropped the ball with Bespoke. The launch of the premium head unit on the 2013 FRS was botched with a replacement system launched one year later. You would think that the youth brand would have the best telematics and phone connectivity, but is a generation behind. You can get the newest generation of Entune, a huge step up, on the 2014 Corolla. You get last generation crap repackaged as Bespoke on Scion.

Given all the focus on aftermarket parts, I don't know why Scion isn't selling the JDM headlights, or desirable interior parts, as DIY aftermarket at the dealer. It has to be some individual lead effort on the dealer's part.

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I agree in almost every spec the hatchback Yaris was superior to the IQ. It was so ridiculous that they had to eliminate the manual Yaris hatchback. In real world driving the IQ is such a disappointment in not saving mpg over the ancient Yaris/Tercel tech.

At 60K .... It will compete with the carbon fiber tubbed 4C.

Awwww man I would love an updated mr2.
Especially if they brought back the mr2 spyder, might give a hint hint nudge nudge at a certain car company to bring back the s2000...

Updated http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/to..._oem_1_300.jpg
With a hint of?
http://urbanmens.com/wp-content/uplo...1-1024x612.jpg
Yes,please. :)
They could sell it to all the people who want the luxury sports car look,but for a budget.

DO IT,TOYOTA.

Also bring back the Celica.
Stop making those damn IQ or whatever those are.

The best thing Toyota could do with Scion is just kill it ASAP. It's a pointless, failed brand, only the FR-S is keeping it afloat these days.

The Scion experiment could have continued, but they kept ****ing it up. Just like GM did with Saturn. Scion still has a chance, whereas Saturn had no chance before it was shuttered (when GM in its infinite wisdom though rebadging cars for the Saturn brand was a good idea.....)


Kia still has the Soul cuz its better than the xB (and pretty much every other car that the xB competition spawned. Like the Honda Element and the Nissan Cube), plus it is more akin to the original xB than the current xB is. the current xB lost everything about it that made the original xB a success. Small, very roomy, great gas mileage, cheap.
It has since exploded into Corolla sized 'big', still roomy, fat, sucky gas mileage, and it hasn't changed at all since it was introduced.
Bring back the original xB (the one that started the whole curb appeal of boxes....) with the reasons for it to exist in the first place and I think the xB can bounce back.


the xD is useless. It overlaps with the Yaris. Kill it, it has no purpose. I see Yaris everywhere, but I don't see any xD's.


The iQ...well its niche, it can stay, its not expected to sell volumes. However, it needs to be cheaper (why get it when its almost the same price as a base corolla or Yaris?) and it needs a more frugal engine (Dunno if the 1.0 would be any good for NA...its pretty puny, but the 1.3 needs an overhaul. Maybe those new ones that Toyota intro'd recently could help) And give it a manual box, I think a manual could boost sales, its surely a car that could benefit from it (looks like it could be a blast to drive with a stick). I'm pretty sure a price reduction would make this car much more desirable.


FRS...well it did boost Scion's appeal.


tC....I think its doing OK, but not gangbusters, but its selling.
However I do question whether they should kill it and just make a 2 door Corolla instead...... I definitely think that if the Celica came back that the tC and the Celica would just cannibalize each other. Theres no room for both of them.


Replace the xD's slot with a mini truck (smaller than Tacoma) or mini offroad SUV (like those FJ40's) or maybe a mini-minivan (like that old Dihatsu Hyjet).


Heck kill the tC, resurrect the Celica as a proper Toyota (or make a 2 door Corolla, again as a Toyota) and you have an extra slot for one of the above 3 suggestions. Then Scion becomes a pretty cool Niche brand that doesn't need to push volume to sell. If they want to keep it currently as a 5 car lineup.

xB = Original box, not for everyone.
FRS = small inexpensive sports car.
iQ = city car for the urbanite, a better smart car than Smart cars.
Mini truck = For those who thinks those 80's Tacomas/Nissans were the right size and don't need anything more
Mini offroader SUV = If Wranglers and FJ cruisers are too big and they want a proper SUV that's not a CUV and was sized like the FJ40's, wranglers, or Bronco's of yore.
Mini minivan = Appeals to those hippies who want a modern VW Microbus I guess lol.


And with the gas mileage being a major concern nowadays, small cars of all kinds could see some sales potential.
And if an MR2 or supra or Celica gets resurrected, they could stay as Toyotas.

My '13 FR-S is fucking awesome just as it is. LOL that Toyota is going to fuck it up. I consider myself fortunate to have one.

I hope Jim Lentz is reading this thread...

Kids want what adults have. Toyota just needs to build great cars and release them as Toyota or Lexus.

Hah I would love a mini japanese 4x4

Think of it this way, the normal FR-s are going to be the limited editions sought by car collectors years from now.


:)

I'm not sure why people hate Scion so much. Perhaps I am still hopelessly in love with my 2006 xB that I traded in. Personally, I liked the original ones and I even told the salesperson when I bought my FR-S that if for some miracle they brought back the first gen xB the FR-S would be traded back in in a heartbeat. He told me about the new ones and I told him "ew" for the reasons Sasquachulator listed above.

What I really want is the AWD bB with a manual transmission over here in the states..

He's busy counting beans.

He and senior management think at least five years out. They've stated that the US market share won't be growing at pre-recession double digit rates and instead are looking toward China and India as their main areas of opportunity.

I'm just happy that they're continuing to support Scion well into the future and have a captive finance arm to support sales when interest rates eventually rise again.

Oh, and they already announced in trade publications that the next Tacoma that will be revealed later this year will be downsized.

I don't know why they don't bring over more of the JDM models. It can't cost much to get them EPA/DOT certified.

They've got some funky little trucks over there... I like the pixis pickup w/ the drop gates for the bed...

Just kill it.... PLEASE TOYOTA JUST KILL IT!

A mini 4x4 diesel without being all smogged down would sell like hot cakes.

Not sure what "our age" is in your reference, but assuming you mean somewhere between 18 and 25, it was the same then as it is now. "We" could afford the cars only because they built them in huge numbers, and "we" bought them used, 3 to 10 years later, same as happens today. The list price looks cheap when compared to today but the ratio to income was the same or worse.


$4000 in 1969 was worth is equivalent to about $26,000 today. A base Camaro sold for around $3600 and a ZL1 was somewhere around $7,000. ($46,000 in 2014). (Using an average inflation rate of 4.27% a year)

well

as of right now they have

xB-The wagon
tC-The Coupe
FR-S-The Cool Coupe
iQ-The City Compact


Toyota said they want to offer 3 new models

let me suggest these ideas and names

sT-a New Compact Truck to slot underneath the Tacoma as there are no compact trucks out there right now and Toyota could steal the market

fJ- something replace the FJ Cruiser as Toyota's off-roader.

-Make it small
-Make it 2-door
-make it a utility vehicle(i.e. give the possibility to remove almost everything)
-Price it competitively with the 2-door wrangler

mR- a MR-2 replacement

-sale as a convertible or targa
-could be the new coupe Toyota has been talking about

Because it takes time before people learn that less is more...
All my time growing up I wanted a vette or some high speed exotic to
Race around in. Well after 4 vettes, M3's, etc... I found a car I can really
Use in the real world.. One that I can push and zip around in without
Being thrown in jail. Where a set of tires doesn't cost 1600$.. I'm not a primary target anymore for cops and thieves or low life's..
This is an awesome car mainly because of what it doesn't have !!! Weight, cost.. Etc..
Don't get me wrong.. I enjoyed my other cars and they were more capable in many areas.. But this one has the right combination of power, weight , cost and makes more sense in the real world..

It'll be 2 disappointing rehashes and 1 "had some potential" model.

Boring, consistent sales are more attractive in business than "possibly 10% better but more likely 25% worse" sales.

Scion needs a new tC and xB. The current xB looks awful when compared to the 1st gen. Also rumors about Scion getting a sub compact CUV (Toyota Rush base?).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ta_Rush_01.jpg

And or wouldn't mind the return of the 3 door Rav4.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ta_RAV4_01.jpg

toyota 86 is $45,000 here...luxury price...not so luxury car...

From what I understand, cars in general are just more expensive in your part of the world.

its just so stupid. a brand new rolls phantom 1 mil, aventador, 900..

There was also a rumor about the Daihatsu Kopen being sold in the US as a Scion to replace the outgoing iQ.

http://www.4wheelsnews.com/images/ne...mz_concept.jpg

kill the iq
rename the tc to scion celica and offer a gt-s version
replace xb with auris
bring in 3 door rav4
maybe bring the allion for a sedan?

Report: Daihatsu Copen to be resurrected and may come Stateside as a Scion?