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Anthony7515 04-15-2014 10:58 AM

How are the isc n1 coilovers looking to buy coilovers
 
How are the isc n1 coilovers for the brz I want a coilover that's great for handling but is also good for a dd I'm looking to spend around the 1000$ price range if it has to be a little more that's ok

whitefrs 04-15-2014 11:05 AM

ill go BC

cdrazic93 04-15-2014 01:24 PM

What are you looking for in a coilover

Anthony7515 04-15-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 1673851)
What are you looking for in a coilover

i want something that will handle more stiff than stock how are the buddy club racing coil overs

cdrazic93 04-15-2014 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony7515 (Post 1674758)
i want something that will handle more stiff than stock how are the buddy club racing coil overs

Budget? The only reason why I haven't suggested anything yet is because there are hundreds of options to choose from.

ISC Suspension 04-15-2014 07:54 PM

If you have any questions about our product or would like to learn more about our different valving options let us know. We are proud to support this community.
You can get our coilovers in a N1 or N1 basic.

We also offer control arms for your car

Anthony7515 04-15-2014 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 1674867)
Budget? The only reason why I haven't suggested anything yet is because there are hundreds of options to choose from.

looking to spend under 1200 but if i have to spend more i don't mind

cdrazic93 04-15-2014 08:54 PM

I haven't seen any reviews of ISC N1's, so if anyone can chime in with a helpful review that would be great;

I'll start off as cheap as I can go that I would recommend.

ST coilovers. Great quality and non-adjustable for what you get in the price range (under 1k) Made by KW to ST specs, the only difference between the ST and KW V1 is the Stainless Steel coating.

Bilstein PSS B14 a great progressive coilover that is non adjustable. When I say non adjustable I mean only height adjustable; anyway, those are specifically and optimally damped for the 86 just like the ST's are. Coming in hot just under 1k. Many find these to be of great quality for a DD coilover with spirited canyon/back country road days.

Fortune Auto have good coilovers, I have heard that the auto 500's are good, but I haven't extensively researched those in great detail. There is an optional Swift spring upgrade.

KW V1 is a little over your budget, as the cheapest I have found is around 1400, but it does come with the SS coating, so if you live in an area with a lot of snow and they use salt on the roads to clear it, this is definitely worth the look

Spring and Damper Combos

Koni and RCE yellow's: these I have heard have worked better than some coilovers, so obviously they have some merit to them.

There are also the B6/B8 Bilstein dampers and RCE Tarmac or Swift springs or RCE yellow, whichever spring you like the best;

The debate is up whether or not the B6 has different valving than the B8, since the B8's were designed by Bilstein to be used with lowering springs specifically. Whereas the B6 aren't.

Hope this helps.

ExcelerateRep 04-17-2014 11:13 AM

The ISC N1's offer a lot for their price point. They offer ride height adjustment from about 1-3", 32 levels of damping adjustment, pillowball upper mounts, and a free thrust bearing (Macpherson Struts), amongst other things. The front suspension also has camber plates for our cars. For $955, there aren't too many coilovers that offer what the N1's do. We sell a lot of the ISC coilovers for the Acura/Honda lineup and I get nothing but good reviews from our customers. They will ride pretty stiff but it's nothing too, too aggressive when comparing it to the stock setups for our cars. And with the 32 levels of damping, there is plenty of room to modify the setup to your liking. They are offered in three different setups: Street Sport, Street Comfort, and Race Track. So if you want to order a more aggressive setup or a less aggressive setup, they provide you with that option.

I personally, have ridden in a few different cars with the N1's. One of our former employees had a gutted E36 and he had the Street Sport N1's on his car. I needed a ride to work one day and he let me drive the car. He had it as low as the N1's would go and he had damping set a bit stiffer than half way. Car handled amazingly and the ride wasn't rough considering it was a gutted car on some very thin tires. Bumps were a bit rough, but I imagine they would have been regardless of the suspension setup. There was very minimal body roll and cornering was tremendous.

I have also been in a 4G TL SH-AWD which is more of a luxury car that had the Street Comfort setup. We installed the N1's here at our shop and after the install I took it for a test drive. The ride was incredible with the Street Comforts. It did not lose that luxury feel but added a fair amount more performance to that luxury feel. I was very impressed with the Street Comforts because they did exactly what they are designed to do, keep comfort, improve performance, and not have a bouncy ride.

That's just a couple cars I have been in. Hope this helped.

Propaganda 04-17-2014 11:45 AM

Just as an FYI, the "levels of adjustment" for damper control doesn't mean shit. Lol. 15, 32, 3.... It's all arbitrary, really. On anything more than 15, you won't notice anything other than from going 2 or 3 clicks at a time

More clicks != quality

SubieNate 04-17-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Propaganda (Post 1678866)
Just as an FYI, the "levels of adjustment" for damper control doesn't mean shit. Lol. 15, 32, 3.... It's all arbitrary, really. On anything more than 15, you won't notice anything other than from going 2 or 3 clicks at a time

More clicks != quality

I'd go as far to say that anything with 32 levels of adjustment is probably made by the same factory that makes every other 32 easy adjustable coilover. At the last they'll look extremely similar on the inside. And that is not a good thing.

cdrazic93 04-17-2014 01:53 PM

The most I've seen that actually does any kind of noticeable change is a 4 way adjustable coilover...from the big names, Ohlins, Penske, Moton, JRZ...the really expensive guys.

Albeit those are racecar level systems but...lol

The most I would go for any kind of adjustability through damping would be a 2 way. This car isn't quick enough stock or can pull the lateral G's it needs for anything as aggressive as a 4 way adjustable race setup.

I find it hilarious that BC/Megan Racing/etc/etc often claim 32 levels of damping for under or near $1,000. When in fact you should divide that 32 by 16.

SubieNate 04-17-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 1679129)
The most I've seen that actually does any kind of noticeable change is a 4 way adjustable coilover...from the big names, Ohlins, Penske, Moton, JRZ...the really expensive guys.

Albeit those are racecar level systems but...lol

The most I would go for any kind of adjustability through damping would be a 2 way. This car isn't quick enough stock or can pull the lateral G's it needs for anything as aggressive as a 4 way adjustable race setup.

I find it hilarious that BC/Megan Racing/etc/etc often claim 32 levels of damping for under or near $1,000. When in fact you should divide that 32 by 16.

On each individual adjustment, it seems like you can easily go past the threshold of usability when it comes to number of clicks. AST 4150s have 12 clicks if I remember right. And you can bet they actually do something useful.

Cheers
Nathan

ISC Suspension 04-18-2014 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExcelerateRep (Post 1678806)
The ISC N1's offer a lot for their price point. They offer ride height adjustment from about 1-3", 32 levels of damping adjustment, pillowball upper mounts, and a free thrust bearing (Macpherson Struts), amongst other things. The front suspension also has camber plates for our cars. For $955, there aren't too many coilovers that offer what the N1's do. We sell a lot of the ISC coilovers for the Acura/Honda lineup and I get nothing but good reviews from our customers. They will ride pretty stiff but it's nothing too, too aggressive when comparing it to the stock setups for our cars. And with the 32 levels of damping, there is plenty of room to modify the setup to your liking. They are offered in three different setups: Street Sport, Street Comfort, and Race Track. So if you want to order a more aggressive setup or a less aggressive setup, they provide you with that option.

I personally, have ridden in a few different cars with the N1's. One of our former employees had a gutted E36 and he had the Street Sport N1's on his car. I needed a ride to work one day and he let me drive the car. He had it as low as the N1's would go and he had damping set a bit stiffer than half way. Car handled amazingly and the ride wasn't rough considering it was a gutted car on some very thin tires. Bumps were a bit rough, but I imagine they would have been regardless of the suspension setup. There was very minimal body roll and cornering was tremendous.

I have also been in a 4G TL SH-AWD which is more of a luxury car that had the Street Comfort setup. We installed the N1's here at our shop and after the install I took it for a test drive. The ride was incredible with the Street Comforts. It did not lose that luxury feel but added a fair amount more performance to that luxury feel. I was very impressed with the Street Comforts because they did exactly what they are designed to do, keep comfort, improve performance, and not have a bouncy ride.

That's just a couple cars I have been in. Hope this helped.


Thank you for the kind words sir! Also thank you for calling it damping! :)


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