Do you think 3k more for a BRZ Limited is worth it for the extras, than an FR-S now?
 

I'm a Toyota guy, so of course I would like to go with a Asphalt 6spd MT FR-S. I like the styling of the front end better than the BRZ. Lately I have been getting use to the BRZ though. I feel for $3k more, the BRZ Limited is kinda worth buying. So I been leaning more towards the BRZ at the moment. I think it would be less costly than adding these things myself to the Scion FR-S. The foglights, HID's, keyless entry w push start, nice suede & leather seats, heated seats, Navi Radio, spoiler, digital climate control. I'm not sure if anyone has info if Toyota will have a limited version yet in the states or will these add ons be available for around the same price?

Well strictly from a price standpoint, the added options on the BRZ are WELL worth 3k.

Justin Grimm

you're going to pay a lot more than 3k if you're going to add the limited features yourself.

for scion, what you see is what you get. there are no rumors of a limited edition frs.

As stated, I think all the kit you get in the BRZ is well worth the 3k. If you are planning on DDing it, then you will greatly appreciate all the amenities.

It is WELL worth it. You're going to get bored with a very plain interior and lets face it. You will be spending most of your time in the car if you're anything like me.

If you like compliments, no one is going to give you one on your interior and really mean it.

Your car will have much more resale value for the upgraded interior and for having the subaru name on your car. We may even see decreased insurance rates over the scion because fr-s will have a higher percentage of younger drivers. The cars appeal to people of all ages but we know there will be alot more immaturity on the scion side of things.

Yeah I did it. I just stereotyped the fr-s audience. :thumbsup:

Your dead to me....


But anyways ive been playing with the idea as well, i mean if anything i could swap a FRS front end. Still kind of have my brand loyalty to toyota though and i think id be cheating myself to do such a thing. (Yes built same place same factory idgaf its a brand thing!!!)

The front end will be hidden by a license plate :)

The scion should have the toyota badge on it like the rest of the world. You could always rebadge with Toyota and then you can buy the toyota branded airbag for the steering wheel. It will only cost you $800+ :cry:

'Brand loyalty' on a car built and engineered by Subaru kills me every time. If you are asking the question of worth you are already considering them as benefits you want, so good luck.

Exactly. What is extremely crazy is to call this car "The new Hachiroku." That's like saying one could buy a miata and put toyota badges on it and call it a Toyota.

If only Toyota just brought the GT86 here there wouldn't be debates like this and a lot mote people would be on the Toyota side.

No doubt about it. I definitely would be even though it's a Subaru with Toyota badging. I'll pick subaru over the FR-S any day. To understand this, one must look into the available options and interior customization when you build the car on their 86 website.

I wish they would let us choose the options. I am pretty indifferent about the interior stuff but I hate the spoiler and fog lights on the Limited. If they offered something with the interior of the limited and the exterior of the premium and the interior of the limited I would get that just because I know it will be easier to sell with the upgraded interior, but I'm not going to pay $2000 for car that in my opinion looks worse. I also think HIDs are a must have, so the FR-S is not an option for me. If they had the FR-S with the HIDs from the GT86 and it was still cheaper than the BRZ I'd go with that.

Get the limited and swap out the trunk and fogs with someone that has a premium wishing to have the limited exterior.

Maybe if they'd pay me for it, but the trunks are vin stamped so I'd rather not do that.

I am a fan of the BRZ myself, especially because it has HID. I thought the subaru price did not add destination charges while the FRS does. So in reality, it would be a little north of $4k. Am I mistaken?

Carbon fiber trunk when/if available down the road?

yeah I don't know, I just have a hard time justifying 28k, or 30k out the door, for this car. I like the extra features of the limited but I can't get over that price... there's a lot out there for 28k. My goal for this car is to pay it off asap and trade it in for something else in a few years when the new WRX and possibly turbo BRZ/FR-S are available, so to me I'd rather not have that extra 2000 to pay off. I am tempted by the limited since it would only be about $30/month extra, but then I keep coming back to that 28k price tag, it's just too much for this car imo.

I think I would much rather have the BRZ personally, but for some people a more spartan car for $3k less if money later for mods. $3k can buy a lot of aftermarket goodies.

So it's nice to have a choice :)

I dont care if all they did was put a rear view on the car. When i say brand loyalty, i mean it in every sense of the word.

It doesn't really make sense to be loyal to Scion but not Subaru though. Scion is a subsidiary of Toyota; Subaru is owned in-part by Toyota. Either way, you're getting a Toyobaru.

Not only that but putting Scion bumpers and exterior badges on a car thats VIN decodes as a Subaru and has a Subaru badge on the steering wheel is just beyond ghetto imo.

For me the extra 3K would not be worth it. I would be buying this car because it is a minimalist sports car. I would much rather use the 3K for coilovers and better tires.

That is a great point. As a daily driver, I would prefer the BRZ. The interior looks much better to me than the FR-S. But.. If you just want a fun car and plan to mod it. The FR-S seems like the better deal.

Totally worth it to me. The nav, lights, leather heated seats, spoiler all add up to make it worth it. I happen to prefer the front end of the FR-S more than the BRZ but if you don't mind the BR-Z front end, go for it. I will add that the FR-S interior is ok but nothing to write home about. It feels and looks spartan.

The car is Subaru engineered and assembled. Come warranty time do you want a Subaru tech working on your car or a Toyota tech who's probably never touched a Boxer engine before? Well, at least the trans is a Toyota IIRC.

I was convinced I wanted a Premium BRZ because of the Nav and the HIDs. However, after seeing the horrible performance of the Nav I'm heavily considering going with the FRS and simply upgrading the head unit myself. Not the preferred option since I was hoping to keep the audio stock but oh well...

If you want a bare bones car the FR-S is a great deal. If you want a more loaded unit and willing to pay extra then you get more value from the BRZ.

$0.02.

Totally agree with HotLavaMan provided that you desire those amenities. 3 grand is not THAT much more money if you will get years of enjoyment out of the extras. I prefer conventional HVAC, do not care that much about HID headlights and like the direction Toyota went with regarding the suspension tuning. That said, the BRZ is a handsome car and for the money you do get a whole lot of luxury if those features are on your want list.

I have to say though. I am not a spoiler person.. I would probably have to pay to have the spoiler removed.. At least Subaru did not put one of those giant WRX STI wings on it....

I agree, Im not too fond of the Limited spoiler. I would have to do the same or see if I can get a lip spolier instead.

I'd forgotten about the HVAC controls. I will say that I *love* the simplicity of the controls in the FR-S. AC on? Hit one button. AC off? Hit same button again. Exhaust coming in from car in front? Hit one button. Need more air, turn one dial. Does the fan go to high randomly or the AC go on for some unknown reason? No.

The one thing about my Prius that pisses me off is that it takes hitting five separate buttons to setup HVAC as I want. And then 30 seconds later the system decides to ramp up the fan or change something else.

Totally agree. I hate digital climate control. Totally overrated.

I disagree. I love the auto climate in my car. Works like a charm! I don't have to eff around with fan speed and zone all the time. Pick a temp, it sets the cabin to that temp. Perfect!

It's up to you where you want that $3k to go. In the case of the BRZ, the $3k buys you a lot of nice amenities. In the case of the FR-S, the extra $3k can be spent on go-fast parts. It all depends on your wants and needs. Personally, I know I can add speed later. It's a lot harder to add HID's, keyless access, heated leather/alcantara seats and auto climate control later.

If you asked me two years ago I would've said "FR-S all day long!"

Then I got an Audi... FML
I'm so spoiled with my heated leather/alcantara seats, nav, bluetooth, auto-dimming mirrors, auto climate etc. etc. etc. I went from a car with no A/C, roll-down windows and manual steering to this!

I also like the auto climate control. Have one in our Honda Odyssey and it actually works very good.

My first car was a loaded 96 Maxima that my dad gave me with 160,000 miles on it (some gift, it needed about $3000 of work on day 1 and it never got any better from there). It had all the auto climate control, heated seats, bose radio, all that crap. After 200,000 miles not a single one of those things was still working. I buy my cars to last a long time so I prefer simple mechanical features over electronic gizmos. It's just more stuff that can break if you ask me. On the other hand I got my WRX with 40,000 miles on it and now it has 140,000 and everything is working perfectly. It has a basic functional interior and I have never missed all those things the Maxima had.

The headlights in my 2012 Impreza are a big improvement over my 1997 Camaro, so I figure the FR-S will likely be at least adequate. I know the internet sentiment is that HIDs are cool, but the following link suggests that they may not necessarily be superior in all respects.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html


Since I don't care to modify my car's suspension, and because I question if the suspension is part of why the Impreza handles so poorly in crosswind, personally I'm leaning toward the FR-S merely for the reportedly minor suspension changes by Toyota.

For me with the BRZ, I just can't get passed that big black front bumper/lip/thing above the front intake. It looks like they decided to enlarge the grill opening to differentiate the BRZ from the other 86 cars and forgot there was some structure there that had to be covered. So at the last minute they added a "big fat piece of tape" over it. It looks like one of those bumper parts that will go from black to body color in a year or two.

I thought the same thing when I saw the press photos, but it looks great in person

I couldnt care less.:happy0180:

Same here. I'm interested in this car for the simplistic design, not luxury items

Only thing I want from the 86 or BRZ is the headlights but not for 3k.

i guess im more of a performance orientated guy... FRS is the less expensive way to get a nearly identical platform as the BRZ... so i guess i could do without those "extra comforts" the BRZ comes with; I would rather spend the cash on some proven performace parts. Stock FRS = better deal fun factor, BRZ= more expensive comfort fun factor (+dealer mark up???)... Thank you Subaru for making this machine, thank you Toyota for making it more reasonably affordable. who cares if it has a scion badge on it??? its still a toyobaru in my book...

All the frs needs is the Hids! The stock frs headlights are ugly. Everything else is perfect! Push start with proximity should have been standard across the board but that can be easily added aftermarket.

Hids baby hids! Scion r u listening? Add them to the release series 1.0 frs along with the push start and the trd body kit and springs for $27k.