Longevity of the the Twins?
 

Not to make anyone depressed, Any predictions of how long the twins will sell for? I'm thinking sometime in the 2030s before going through 3 updates. Anyone have any better info? Just curiosity.

Yeah I talked to toyota corporate a few days ago, apparently they're looking into stopping production of the twins, since adding a factory turbo to the car will sabotage sales of their other vehicles, but they don't want to invest the money into development of it. They said, and I quote, "the frs platform is just too slow, and we cannot keep dumping money into such a slow platform with no potential to be something better." They said a bunch of other stuff too, but they said to keep it on the DL.


What did elude to, From what I understand, 2016 will yield an awd corolla to compete with the sti, but who knows, plans change all the time

^Ha. Funny.

despite how much of trolling is going to happen here, i cant see it lasting too long. its a pretty sharp car for an oem to put out and those things are usually only bought by a specific niche. usually after the first couple years, the niche has already purchased the new cars they plan to buy and then the sales rapidly fall off. thats not to say that the impact is insignificant though and i already have one so it doesnt matter. its the reason, imo, why the miata is so soft today. it has to appeal to a much broader market to stay relevant this late into its existence

The MR2 and the Supra, even though that was a different era and situation, lasted an average of 23.5 years I don't think this car will be any different

:lol:

Not to mention the Miata's run of roughly the same duration (so far).

And it's still gonna get updated

Oh, until I'm ready for a Buick or my kids take my drivers license away from me ....:paddle:


humfrz

long, long time

i hope

Buick!!!!!
 

Maybe wifey will buy you one of these for your 90th birthday. :cheers:

The new buicks are pretty solid

I wouldn't complain

Will depend on sales. Right now, judging by March 2014 sales numbers, sales are strong (for a niche car like this) and it's been in the market for about 2 years. Based on that and Tada-san's public commitment to continuing the GT86/FR-S, I would imagine Toyota is working on a mid-cycle refresh for the 2016 MY with possible updated engine options.

If that sells well, there will further development and a major re-design in 2018-2020.

I'm thinking it will sell for the next 15 years. During that time there will be approximately 57 "limited editions". They will all be more "limited" than the next. I'm guessing they will downgrade the engine at some point as well.

I talked to a senior Toyota exec that was able to share with me the first few years of updates.

2015 1.0
2016 1.01, 1.02, 1.03
2017 1.04, 1.05, 1.06, 1.07

They are going to be in the lineup for as long as Toyota/Subaru can make money off them :2cents:

If they continue to sell at the current sales numbers (26914 twin sales for FY13) [1], then they'll continue to be in the lineup. Sales can dip a little as time goes on, as the R&D costs will have already been paid off upfront during the original rollout, but I'm sure there's a minimum sales number that has to be met in order for the model to continue. Only the Bean Counters in Corporate know what those sales numbers are.

The coupe market is a fickle one, so who knows...



<---- Past 2 coupes I've owned were discontinued (Ford T-bird, Acura CL) due to low sales numbers.



[1] http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10766

Well now, Pbrown, if my wifey had any say it it .... I would give up my driver's license RIGHT NOW!.......:sigh:

My father drove until he was 94, then my sister borrowed his car and never returned it to him ..... after he drove away from a gas station .... before he took the filler hose out of the gas tank ...... :eyebulge:

:popcorn:

humfrz

Did this actually happen? :lol:

Enjoy the ride my friend!
 

For as log as you can. You are one of the key contributors to this forum. Appreciate your positive contributions. :clap:

Yep, sure did ..... true story ...... :D

"The rest of the story" is that we bought him an electric golf cart, to drive his large, gated golf course community. Well, all was OK till he tried to drive it into town and got a ticket.....you just can't keep a humfrz from driving.....:happyanim:


humfrz

Y thank ya, Pbrown.......http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mbarrassed.gif


humfrz

:threadjacked:

Thanks, ...... I've already got some mods in mind ..... :happyanim:


humfrz

Actually, the new Buick Regal GS is kind of nice.

Well, maybe one of these Buicks!Attachment 74167

Toyota's last sports car the MR-2 lasted 5 years and it shared many parts with other cars.




This car is right now anyway a real on-off, more new parts even chassis. They have to pay for all that R&D. Or they may write it off. I don't think anyone knows. The joint venture complicates matters.


Whats the most successful joint venture vehicle the Geo Pism? Those cars (the Toyota version too) were extremely well built/designed for reliability appliances. I wish I had one just cause it would never break down.


Who knows but I think the best thing that could happen to this platform is for it to be made what it wants to be a: Subaru only car, get rid of the D4-S and the clock and let Subaru engineers take control.


Or Toyota get serious and put a modern slant I-4 in it. I don't know uut Toyota people and Subaru people have different expectations and it may not be sustainable like it is.

What? It was created in 1984 and they stopped making it in 2007. Is that time period wrong?

My dad died 2 months before his 94th b'day, when his current DL would expire. He had already had the optomotrist update his glasses, so he could pass the eye test, was studying the DMV study guide for the written test, and shopping for a NEW Camry!

Yes. The car was introduced in 1985 in the U.S. and they stopped selling the second generation MR2 in America in 1995.

http://mr2wiki.com/AllModels/History
http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/mr2/

So 10 years for the first run in the U.S. not accounting for the year long gap in between models.

The third generation was only available 2000-2005 (five years after the MK2 was discontinued here).

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/mr2-sp...rtible&ps=used

So isn't that 15 years? Assuming you count the MR-S, which I was assuming we would.

Sure, 15 noncontinuous years, basically each iteration had 5 years followed by a break and then another iteration, don't forget there were five years in between the second and third generations.

So if you're predicting the same for the Toyobaru we can expect sales to stop in 2017 before a second generation is produced. Hopefully we won't have to wait five years.

I see what you were getting at. Makes sense. Unless they figure that that didn't work well for the car and learn from their mistake.

That's kind of young to be buying a Buick don't you think?

Right, the MR2 while a good benchmark isn't what most would call successful, if it was, they'd still be making it and they never would have stopped selling it here while they were still producing it for other countries.

Better example would be the Celica, if you include the tC then Toyota has been producing a 'sport compact' since 1970 with no significant gaps to my knowledge (admittedly I know a lot less about it).

Edit: This car is keeping pace with the tC, if it continues to do so I think it'll hit similar longevity. But with so many detractors calling it too expensive for the amount of performance and the evidence of other RWD sports cars over the past decade I'm not optimistic they'll have a Toyobaru 20 years from now.

Toyota is definitely looking to up its image in terms fun to drive cars.

It probably depends on how quick they can release the FT1 or Supra. Before they release, they're probably try to keep the GT86 dream alive.

I don't consider the MR-S an MR-2, neither did the rest of the world. They only added the MR-2 moniker in the USA for obvious reasons.

This is subie's 240Z. An affordable sports car thats just a sports car. Not a lux'd car that peacocks it out of affordability.

And it has little to nothing in common with the Celica or Tc, this car has more in common with a Porsche Cayman than those cars.






The Celica GTS was a sporty car, but not in the same league as the twins.

troof

Why not? Other than it going from a coupe/t-top to a full convertible. Everything else about it is just like the previous generation MR-2s.

If only it were that simple. Auto manufacturers develop brands in fleets rather than individual vehicles. This car may be profitable on its own, but it will also have to fit into the marketing plans for the entire Toyota lineup and the entire Subaru lineup. It has to fit a market segment that the other cars in the lineup do not address. You can have some overlap, but if the sales of this car are cannibalizing sales of one of the other products in the line too much, they'll dump it.

I suspect there's some cannibalization going on in the Subaru line, with some people who might have spent more money on some version of the Impreza buying this instead. If Subaru decides that they're making less money on this car than by getting the same customers to buy WRXs, they'll drop the BRZ. Then the BRZ enthusiasts will be sitting out here scratching our heads, wondering why Subaru dropped what appeared to be a profitable car.

And who knows what the hell will happen on the Toyota side. It really doesn't fit the Scion brand in the US, which is why they've been having a hard time figuring out how to market it. Moving it to the Toyota lineup could result in cannibalism of its other projects.

I really don't think this car is going to be around a long time. But time will tell.

Actually if the frs were to move over to Toyota I think sales would go up slightly, it would be the only rwd sports car in the line up it wouldn't really effect other sales.

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