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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 16529)

Alright, I'll list few of em that is 2L or lower ones.

Lotus Elise, Exige, 340R, 2-Eleven, Europa S (1.6~2L)
Suzuki Swift Sport (1.6L used in JWRC)
SW20 TRD 2000GT (2L)
Yamaha tuned Toyota 3S-GT Engine (2~2.1L example: Supra GT)
& not to forget Ariel Atom (2L K20Z)

want me to keep goin'?

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Oh, btw I love this Top Gear episode of Atom

"It's so quick it can destroy your entire face.":bellyroll:

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 16528)

The FR-S is not going to be competitive on a road racing track unless it has extensive mods.

Competitive with what?

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Originally Posted by OneJoeZee (Post 16532)

Competitive with what?

I believe Corbin was speculating on whether this motor can hang with the big boys and mentioned the GT-R and Z06. Whether it will have the top end for straights on a road course.

As purchased, we all know it won't

That will take $$$.

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Originally Posted by corbin (Post 16534)

Yeah I admit my videos weren't too scientific.

About FR-S being competitive in road racing, I realize that it won't be competitive stock. Not many Japanese cars are when stock, but the cool thing is that they have POTENTIAL, hence them being tuner cars.

I just hope the FR-S has that potential. Even a street modified 240SX or FC3S RX-7 can hang with the big boys in road racing... I see no reason for an FR-S not to be able to do the same (modified, of course) to an even greater extent.

We all hope that. But, this car is an entry-level sports car, not a halo car. Sure the 240sx was entry level in its day but the over-engineering of the late 80's early 90's was a wonderful thing.

Now I think even the fact that I'm assuming it's going to have an EJ series engine is dangerous speculation. And there are many differences between them in terms of power potential. But they are all reasonably inter-changeable.

What worries me is how well can the new transmission, diff and axles handle power if they are only anticipating a 2.0L NA motor with 180 lb-ft of torque. This is my main concern. If the stock motor sucks (god forbid) an EJ257 can go in it. But if this thing starts shredding gears, snapping axles and popping diffs, uh oh. Much harder problem to solve than making power.

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Originally Posted by corbin (Post 16518)

Do you have any examples of 2.0L inline 4's that are competitive in modern racing? The only thing I can think of is the 4g63...

I think ichitaka05 answered you well enough, but let me just add that the Toyota AZ engine has been doing wonderful things in the drag racing scene (yes, I know, It's 2.4, but whatever).

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 16522)

In all performance aspects MK4 > MK*.

But in my opinion MK3 > MK* in the looks department.

roflmao. Erm. I love the way the Mk3 looks, especially in widebody spec, but srsly... no. ROFL.

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Originally Posted by corbin (Post 16515)

I'll be disappointed if the engine can't compete with the big boys... Z06's, GT-Rs, etc. From what I've seen, STI's get stomped on straights by pretty much anything RWD... hopefully that's just due to the crappy top end from AWD, but I'm not convinced since EVO's seem to do much better.

Initially I thought the boxer engine would be perfect because of the weight distribution, but lately I've been fantasizing about a high displacement inline 4. 2.0L just doesn't cut it to be competitive in racing. I don't want this car to be another underpowered but fun to drive Honda... (S2000) half the fun for me is cruising around in a car that is a giant killer, and that just isn't possible without a good motor.

a) ROFLMAOWTFBBQTWATWAFFLES!!!!! :laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:

b) Neither Evo's nor Sti's have great top end. Not because of their awd, but rather because of their very short gearing.

c) Seriously, you need help. See a shrink. The type of money you'd have to put in the FR-S to make it a Z06 killer (driving skills not withstanding), you might as well but one used. New cars are expensive to milk that kind of performance out of. Most tuner cars don't get to that level until they are close to or already out of production (because then they can be had cheap and replacement engines etc can be had cheap). You need to get a grip on reality. As is said before, speed is expensive.

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 16536)

We all hope that. But, this car is an entry-level sports car, not a halo car. Sure the 240sx was entry level in its day but the over-engineering of the late 80's early 90's was a wonderful thing.

**snip**

What worries me is how well can the new transmission, diff and axles handle power if they are only anticipating a 2.0L NA motor with 180 lb-ft of torque. This is my main concern. If the stock motor sucks (god forbid) an EJ257 can go in it. But if this thing starts shredding gears, snapping axles and popping diffs, uh oh. Much harder problem to solve than making power.

Amen and Amen. The transmission will be pretty much the same aisin 6-speed that is in the RX-8, JDM Altezza, S2000 et al. Start from there as a reference point I guess.

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 16537)

roflmao. Erm. I love the way the Mk3 looks, especially in widebody spec, but srsly... no. ROFL.

Awww, c'mon...

http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/z...praSunday3.jpg

http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/z...praSunday4.jpg

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Originally Posted by corbin (Post 16540)

Yeah, dude, send me to the loony bin because I want this car to be competitive on the track. Only crazy people care about the performance of their car. From where I'm sitting that was a strange outburst... maybe you have some unresolved issues if you telling me I'm crazy and need to "get a grip on reality" because I want Japan to finally start making cars again with the potential to be top-level track cars.

Your point about buying used is valid and adds to what I'm saying. All I'm talking about is the chassis/drive train potential, and when these cars can be had on the cheap and the aftermarket is huge, the possibility of having what RX-7s were a few years ago (minus reliability issues) is there.

Just do lil speculation:
Buying GT-R (R35) is $85~95k
Buying FT86 is $23k~$30k
Now, you still have $55k~$72k to tune FT86 to be faster or fast as GT-R... & if you can't do it with that money and you have problem. Now if you want car that already have 400~500hp car then go ahead and buy GT-R or LFA.

Words "Cheap" & "Fast" never belong together. What you pay is what you get. This math always the fact in auto world

A- This thread has come alive!

B-Soooooooooo many people are going to be disappointed by this car. Power is not what this car is bout.

3-

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Originally Posted by corbin (Post 16540)

You are crazy if you think that this will be a "giant killer"

D- Dimman, No

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous (Post 16548)

D- Dimman, No

Really? MKIII is my 2nd fav Supra design.
1. MK4
2. MK3
3. MK1
4. MK2

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous (Post 16548)

D- Dimman, No

Errr... to which thing?

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 16545)

Words "Cheap" & "Fast" never belong together. What you pay is what you get. This math always the fact in auto world

Isn't the saying this: "Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick 2."